Simple Harmonic Motion (Total Energy)

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The discussion centers on the derivation of total energy in simple harmonic motion, specifically addressing the confusion about kinetic energy (KE) and potential energy (PE) both being equal to 1/2 kA^2. It clarifies that KE and PE are expressed as 1/2 kA^2 cos^2(ωt+φ) and 1/2 kA^2 sin^2(ωt+φ), respectively. The total energy E is derived by adding KE and PE, which simplifies to E = 1/2 kA^2 using the identity sin²(θ) + cos²(θ) = 1. The discussion concludes that factoring out 1/2 kA^2 from the combined terms resolves the confusion. Understanding this derivation is crucial for grasping the principles of energy conservation in harmonic motion.
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I have a question about the derivation that I have attached! I understand that both KE and U are 1/2 kA^2 So how is it that the two combine is also equal to 1/2kA^2Not sure if I'm missing something but I'm a little confused :(
 
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Part of the problem is that what you "understand" is not true. It is NOT the case that "both KE and U are 1/2 kA^2". What is true is that E= 1/2 kA^2 sin^2(\omega t+ \phi) and U= 1/2 kA^2 cos^2(\omega t+ \phi).

Adding those gives KE+ U= 1/2 kA^2(sin^2(\theta)+ cos^2(\theta)). Now use the fact that sin^2(\theta)+ cos^2(\theta)= 1 for all \theta!
 
So that leaves

1/2mv^2 + 1/2kA^2?
 
KiNGGeexD said:
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I have a question about the derivation that I have attached! I understand that both KE and U are 1/2 kA^2 So how is it that the two combine is also equal to 1/2kA^2Not sure if I'm missing something but I'm a little confused :(

KE = (1/2)mv2 and v= ωAcos(ωt+ø)
So ,KE = (1/2)mω2A2cos2(ωt+ø)

But ,k = mω2

Hence KE = (1/2)kA2cos2(ωt+ø) (1)

PE = (1/2)kx2 and x= Asin(ωt+ø)
So ,PE = (1/2)kA2sin2(ωt+ø) (2)

E=KE+PE

Using the fact sin2θ+cos2θ =1 ,

E=(1/2)kA2
 
But there are two terms of kA^2?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious?
 
KiNGGeexD said:
But there are two terms of kA^2?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious?

E = (1/2)kA2cos2(ωt+ø) + (1/2)kA2sin2(ωt+ø)

Take (1/2)kA2 common from both the terms ,

E = (1/2)kA2[cos2(ωt+ø) + sin2(ωt+ø)]

Hence E = (1/2)kA2
 
Ahh so you take 1/2kA^2 out as a common factor
 
Yes...just like if we have 2a+2b ,we can write it as 2(a+b) .
 
I knew it would be something trivial! That's a bunch mate!
 
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