Simple Harmonic Oscillator behaviour when a potential term is added

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The discussion revolves around the effects of adding a linear potential term, V = ax, to the standard potential of a simple harmonic oscillator, V = 1/2 kx^2. It is established that this addition results in a shifted equilibrium position, affecting the oscillator's frequency. A change of coordinates is suggested to simplify the analysis, specifically using a new variable y = x + c to account for the shift. The participants explore how to express the potential in terms of this new variable and determine the appropriate constant c to cancel terms. Ultimately, it is clarified that adding a constant to the potential does not alter the frequency of the oscillator, as the force derived from the potential remains unchanged.
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Homework Statement



A simple harmonic oscillator has a potential energy V=1/2 kx^2. An additional potential term V = ax is added then,
a) It is SHM with decreased frequency around a shifted equilibrium
b) Motion is no longer SHM
c)It is SHM with decreased frequency around a shifted equilibrium
d) It is SHM with same frequency around a shifted equilibrium
e)It is SHM with increased frequency around origin

Homework Equations


$$w= \sqrt {k/m}$$
$$x = A \sin{wt}$$


The Attempt at a Solution


$$V = 1/2 kx^2+ax$$
At x=0
$$V=0$$
Maximum potential
$$dV/dx = kx + a$$
I do not know if this is correct or if it is so then i do not know how to go further than this.
Please help.[/B]
 
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Perhaps think about what a "shifted equilibrium" might mean? Would a change of coordinate help?
 
PeroK said:
Perhaps think about what a "shifted equilibrium" might mean? Would a change of coordinate help?

I did not understand what you meant by change of coordinate.
 
Rahulrj said:
I did not understand what you meant by change of coordinate.

A change of coordinate is where you use another coordinate instead of ##x##. That could be anything. But in this case, you could try using a new coordinate ##y## with ##y = x + c##, where ##c## is a constant.
 
PeroK said:
A change of coordinate is where you use another coordinate instead of ##x##. That could be anything. But in this case, you could try using a new coordinate ##y## with ##y = x + c##, where ##c## is a constant.
Do you mean to suggest that I should write it as $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2$$?
 
Rahulrj said:
Do you mean to suggest that I should write it as $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2$$?

Yes, except that's not the potential you are supposed to be working with. It's:

##V(x) = \frac12 kx^2 + ax##
 
PeroK said:
Yes, except that's not the potential you are supposed to be working with. It's:

##V(x) = \frac12 kx^2 + ax##
Yes so then it becomes $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2+a(y-c)$$
If i expand it, $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-yc+ay-ac$$
 
Rahulrj said:
Yes so then it becomes $$ V = \frac {1}{2}k(y-c)^2+a(y-c)$$
If i expand it, $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-yc+ay-ac$$

Does that give you any ideas about a suitable value for ##c##? Hint: look at the terms in ##y##.

Note, however, that your algebra has gone wrong.
 
PeroK said:
Does that give you any ideas about a suitable value for ##c##? Hint: look at the terms in ##y##.

Note, however, that your algebra has gone wrong.
The expansion is $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-kyc+ay-ac$$
Suitable value to cancel what term?
if $$ c= \frac {a}{k}$$ I would get $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+\frac {a^2}{k})-\frac {a^2}{k}$$

$$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2)-\frac {a^2}{k}$$
But it does not look familiar.
 
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Rahulrj said:
The expansion is $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+kc^2)-kyc+ay-ac$$
Suitable value to cancel what term?
if $$ c= \frac {a}{k}$$ I would get $$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2+\frac {a^2}{k})-\frac {a^2}{k}$$

$$V = \frac{1}{2}(ky^2)-\frac {a^2}{k}$$
But it does not look familiar.

What effect does a constant term have on a potential?
 
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PeroK said:
What effect does a constant term have on a potential?
A shift from the normal potential. So how can i infer frequency from this?
 
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Rahulrj said:
A shift from the normal potential. So how can i infer frequency from this?

Adding a constant to a potential makes no effective difference. The force is the derivative of the potential, so the constant term has no effect.
 
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