Simple Optics Problem (plane mirror and lens)

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The discussion revolves around a geometric optics problem involving a plane mirror and a converging lens. The setup includes a lens with a specified focal length and an object placed at a certain distance, with participants attempting to determine the final image location and magnification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the lens formula and the implications of distances involved in the setup. There are attempts to clarify the object distance for the mirror and the nature of the images formed. Questions arise regarding the number of images produced in such systems and the behavior of light reflection.

Discussion Status

Some participants have sketched diagrams to aid their understanding and are exploring the relationships between the lens and mirror images. There is a recognition of the need to reconsider object distances and the nature of virtual images. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion regarding the distances used in calculations and the assumptions about image formation. There is also a discussion about the behavior of light with mirrors and lenses, highlighting the complexity of the optics involved.

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Homework Statement


A plane mirror is placed at the origin. A converging lens with a focal length of 5.00m is located at x=12.50m. A object is placed at x=22.5m

Find the final location of the image in terms of its X coordinate & magnification.

Homework Equations



1/q + 1/p = 1/f (lens)

1/q = -1/p (plane mirror; focal length is infinite)

q = image distance
p= object distance

The Attempt at a Solution


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So I first find the distance from the lens to the object (10m), then following from the equation

1/q + 1/p = 1/f

1/q +1/10 = 1/5

q = 10m

Now we consider the mirror. The image from the lens will serve as the object for the mirror.

1/q = -1/p

1/q = -1/10

q = -10m ?

However the answer says 20m. I just started studying geometric optics (I have yet to have a formal lecture on it), so I am likely missing something fundamental here. Is there another image somehow formed?

Thanks
 
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AKJ1 said:
So I first find the distance from the lens to the object (10m), then following from the equation

1/q + 1/p = 1/f

1/q +1/10 = 1/5

q = 10m

Looks good so far.

Now we consider the mirror. The image from the lens will serve as the object for the mirror.

1/q = -1/p

1/q = -1/10

Yes, the image of the lens serves as the object for the mirror. But, 10 m is not what you should use for the object distance for the mirror. A diagram where you show the image of the lens should help.
 
The light reflected from the mirror will pass through the lens - making another image.
Try sketching a ray diagram.
 
TSny said:
Looks good so far.
Yes, the image of the lens serves as the object for the mirror. But, 10 m is not what you should use for the object distance for the mirror. A diagram where you show the image of the lens should help.

Okay so I sketched a diagram. The 10m I got is the distance from the lens, so that distance from the mirror is actually 2.5m

1/q = -1/p

1/q = -1/2.5

q = -2.5 m

The image is virtual and behind the mirror (Correct?)

So now the distance from the lens is (12.5-(-2.5)) = 15 m

1/p + 1/q = 1/f

1/15 + 1/q = 1/5 (Is the focal length still positive because we have a convex lens?)

q = 7.5 m, but the distance from the origin is 12.5 + 7.5 = 20m

Okay assuming I did it correctly, how do I know how many images will be formed in any system? Will I just need to take it step by step and realize that mirrors will reflect light back to the lens?

Thank you!
 
Simon Bridge said:
The light reflected from the mirror will pass through the lens - making another image.
Try sketching a ray diagram.

Will a mirror always reflect light back in the direction of which it originated? Or does this depend on the type of mirror?
 
Will a mirror always reflect light back in the direction of which it originated? Or does this depend on the type of mirror?
The mirror will always reflect light back into the space that the light came from - that is what reflect means. The alternative would be if the mirror somehow reflected light through itself ... there are objects that do that, they are called windows.

Some of the light reflected by the mirror will go through the lens.
 

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