Sliding Ramp and Freefall problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem involving a sliding ramp and freefall, specifically determining the height (h) of the ramp. Participants analyze the motion of an object leaving the ramp, noting the components of acceleration as gsin(30) and gcos(30), while expressing confusion over how to derive a numerical answer for h due to missing variables. They explore using kinematic equations and relationships between vertical and horizontal distances but struggle with the interconnections of these variables. The conversation highlights the need to clarify definitions and relationships in the problem, particularly regarding the ramp's length and height, while emphasizing the importance of using algebraic expressions over numerical approximations. Ultimately, the group seeks a clearer path to solve for h using the information available.
  • #51
I assume you meant:
Shaku said:
ay = Sin(30)*\sqrt{(((FnCos(30)/m) - g)^2 + (FnSin(30)/m))^2)}
ax = Cos(30)*\sqrt{(((FnCos(30)/m) - g)^2 + (FnSin(30)/m))^2)}
Well, yes, but all I was looking for was ay=-a sin(30), ax = a cos(30).
So what is ay/ax as a function of theta?
What equation does that give you if you equate it to ay/ax from these equations:
ay = (FnCos(30)/m) - g
ax = FnSin(30)/m
 
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  • #52
haruspex said:
I assume you meant: ...
Oops, hahaha! I noticied when I first wrote it down I had them backwards, so I just switched the first letters without realizing what I did!

haruspex said:
So what is ay/ax as a function of theta?
What equation does that give you if you equate it to ay/ax from these equations:
ay = (FnCos(30)/m) - g
ax = FnSin(30)/m

I'm not sure what you're mean by "as a function of theta"...

So you're saying to set each of the two ay/ax expressions equal to each other and then solving for a variable? Wouldn't that still leave me with either mass or Fn that didn't cancel out?
 
  • #53
Shaku said:
I'm not sure what you're mean by "as a function of theta"...
If ay=-a sin(30) and ax = a cos(30), what is ay/ax?
So you're saying to set each of the two ay/ax expressions equal to each other and then solving for a variable? Wouldn't that still leave me with either mass or Fn that didn't cancel out?
It will allow you to work out Fn/m. You don't need to know the individual values.
 
  • #54
haruspex said:
If ay=-a sin(30) and ax = a cos(30), what is ay/ax?

So you're saying:
30 = Tan-1(-aSin(30)/aCos(30)) and then somehow solve for a...? (Since to find an angle given two sides, you take the inverse tan of the two sides).


It will allow you to work out Fn/m. You don't need to know the individual values.

Ah, okay.
 
  • #55
Shaku said:
So you're saying:
30 = Tan-1(-aSin(30)/aCos(30)) and then somehow solve for a...? (Since to find an angle given two sides, you take the inverse tan of the two sides).
No, that would just give 30=30.
We have:
ay/ax = -aSin(30)/aCos(30) = -tan(30)
ay = (FnCos(30)/m) - g
ax = FnSin(30)/m
Combine those three equations, eliminating ay and ax. That will give you one equation that will tell you the value of Fn/m.
 
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