Slopes product = -1 <===> lines perpendicular

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The discussion centers on proving that two non-vertical lines are perpendicular if their slopes multiply to -1. Participants explore using trigonometric functions, particularly the tangent and cosine addition theorems, to establish this relationship. One user initially struggles with the proof but later finds success by forming a triangle with specific points and applying the Pythagorean theorem. There is some debate about the relevance of the chosen points and their relationship to the lines, with suggestions to consider the lines' intersection at the origin. Ultimately, the proof hinges on understanding the geometric relationships defined by the slopes and angles of the lines.
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Homework Statement


Proof that if the slopes of two lines a1, a2 (that are not vertical), m1,m2 satisfy:
m1*m2 = -1, then the lines are perpendicular.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the tan function, so that m1 = tanΘ where Θ1 is the angle of the line formed from x axis.
and m2 = tanΘ2.
now tanΘ21 = -1,
I tried using the tan(Θ1+Θ2) = but after simplifing i got (tanΘ1 - tankΘ2)/2
not sure if I am on the right way, rather solve it using trig.

ok found the answer, i had to use the points (1,m1), (1, m2), form a triangle and check for Pythagorean theorem.
 
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Hint: You can use the addition theorem of cosine for ##\Theta_1 - \Theta_2##.
 
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Dank2 said:

Homework Statement


Proof that if the slopes of two lines a1, a2 (that are not vertical), m1,m2 satisfy:
m1*m2 = -1, then the lines are perpendicular.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to use the tan function, so that m1 = tanΘ where Θ1 is the angle of the line formed from x axis.
and m2 = tanΘ2.
now tanΘ21 = -1,
I tried using the tan(Θ1+Θ2) = but after simplifing i got (tanΘ1 - tankΘ2)/2
not sure if I'm on the right way, rather solve it using trig.

ok found the answer, i had to use the points (1,m1), (1, m2), form a triangle and check for Pythagorean theorem.

if you use the points, (1,m1), and (1, m2), then what's the third point you use to form the triangle?

How are these points related to the lines a1 and a2 and the slopes of these lines?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Hint: You can use the addition theorem of cosine for ##\Theta_1 - \Theta_2##.

Yes, cos(Θ1-Θ2) = cosΘ1*cosΘ2 + sinΘ1*sinΘ2 = 1/sqrt(1+m12)* -1/sqrt(1 + (-1/m)2) + m1/sqrt(1+m12)*(-1/m1)/sqrt(1 + (-1/m)2) = 1 / * + -1 / * = 0 ==> Θ1-Θ2 = right angle, thanks. i see i must use the triangle to proof it in both ways.
 
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SammyS said:
if you use the points, (1,m1), and (1, m2), then what's the third point you use to form the triangle?

How are these points related to the lines a1 and a2 and the slopes of these lines?
hey sammy, I've already seen a solution for it , and i marked the thread as solved. thanks.
 
Dank2 said:
hey sammy, I've already seen a solution for it , and i marked the thread as solved. thanks.
Well, it's true that I'm not grading your work, but if I were grading it, I would expect those issues to be addressed.

The points (1, m1) and (1, m2) are not likely to be on the lines involved .
 
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SammyS said:
The points (1, m1) and (1, m2) are not likely to be on the lines involved .

Why not? If m1 = tanΘ =y/x
Then (x, m1x) is on the line and so (1, m1)
 
SammyS said:
Well, it's true that I'm not grading your work, but if I were grading it, I would expect those issues to be addressed.

The points (1, m1) and (1, m2) are not likely to be on the lines involved .

Maybe I should have added needed to be copied so that they will intersect with (0,0), and then we can always have the mentioned dots and form the triangle?
 
Dank2 said:
Maybe I should have added needed to be copied so that they will intersect with (0,0), and then we can always have the mentioned dots and form the triangle?
... and perhaps:

The points (0, 0) and (1, m1) either lie on line a1 or lie on a line parallel to a1.

Similarly for (0, 0) and (1, m2) and line a2 ...
 
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Dank2 said:
Maybe I should have added needed to be copied so that they will intersect with (0,0), and then we can always have the mentioned dots and form the triangle?
You don't need this as requirement. None of your lines is vertical. Thus you can always draw a coordinate system, in which the origin is the intersection point and, say the ##x-##axis a third line (also intersecting at the origin of course). With that you have defined ##\Theta_1## and ##\Theta_2##.
 
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most probably you can use addition theorem of cosine for ##\theta_1## and ##\theta_ 2##... i hope this hint will help you..
 
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