Small issue regarding the wording of a thermodynamics question

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The discussion centers on a potential error in the wording of a thermodynamics question, specifically regarding the term "increase" in part c)iii). Participants argue that "increase" should be replaced with "decrease" or "change," as both work done and heat removed are negative values, leading to a calculated internal energy change of -160J. There is a consensus that a negative value cannot logically correspond to an "increase" in internal energy, suggesting a flaw in the problem statement. Additionally, calculations involving the ideal gas laws indicate inconsistencies with the provided data. The thread highlights the importance of precise language in thermodynamic questions to avoid confusion.
dregozo

Homework Statement


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The issue is the word 'increase' in c)iii), where I'm pretty sure the wording should have been 'decrease' or at least 'change', since both the work done and the heat removed have a negative value.

Homework Equations


dU = dQ + dW (1st law)

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer to c)iii) was -160J.
 

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dregozo said:
The issue is the word 'increase' in c)iii), where I'm pretty sure the wording should have been 'decrease' or at least 'change', since both the work done and the heat removed have a negative value.
"Increase" IS change; don't get your knickers in a knot.
 
Can't agree with you there, an answer of -160J can't possibly suit the description of an INCREASE in internal energy!
 
Something seems very wrong with this problem statement. If the initial and final states of the system are thermodynamic equilibrium states for an ideal gas, then we must have that $$\Delta (PV)=nR\Delta T$$ and
$$\Delta U=nC_v\Delta T$$Combining these two equations gives:$$\Delta U=\frac{C_v}{R}\Delta (PV)$$For a monoatomic ideal gas the ratio of the heat capacity to the gas constant is 1.5, and for a diatomic gas, it is 2.5. From the data given in the table, $$\Delta (PV)=-5\ J$$This doesn't seem compatible with the change of -160 J calculated from the work and the heat removed. Thoughts?
 
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