Solar furnace for metal extraction - would it work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a solar furnace prototype for metal extraction, focusing on the principles of concentrating solar energy to vaporize rock materials and separate metals from lighter elements. The scope includes theoretical and experimental considerations regarding the temperatures achievable and the mechanisms of separation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a solar furnace that concentrates sunlight to heat rock materials to over 3000 degrees Celsius, aiming to vaporize and decompose them into elemental gases.
  • The same participant questions whether a flux of reducing gas is necessary to prevent reoxidation of metals during the extraction process.
  • Another participant suggests that the differing thermal velocities of elements might aid in their separation during the vaporization process.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of incongruent vaporization as potentially relevant to the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the practical outcomes of the proposed method, with one participant recalling a video that indicated the likelihood of rock fragmentation rather than complete vaporization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the proposed solar furnace for metal extraction, particularly regarding the mechanisms of separation and the expected outcomes. There is no consensus on the necessity of a reducing gas or the feasibility of achieving the desired vaporization.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the temperatures achievable with solar energy and the practical challenges of maintaining those temperatures for effective metal extraction. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the interactions between vaporized gases and solid surfaces.

Gigel
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I thought about a solar furnace prototype.

It is like this: light from the Sun is concentrated with a system of parabolic and plane mirrors on the surface of a rock, which is contained inside a vessel. The light and heat is not meant to reach the vessel, only the rock; the vessel could be cooled. The rock can be anything, like granite, basalt or a mineral ore. The light heats the rock to more than 3000 degrees Celsius and the rock materials are effectively vaporised and decomposed into component elements. I.e., the result is a mixture of atomic O, H, C, Al, Fe, Si, Na, K etc., with some compounds still. Now the resulting gases come out of the vessel at high speed and reach a cold surface or cold stream of gases.

The problem is: can the metals be separated from lighter elements in this device? I don't intend a perfect (100%) separation, but still a meaningful one (20-50% would probably do).

Does it need a flux of reducing gas (say H) to be injected into the vessel in order to avoid reoxidation of metals? Or could it do without it?

I think the elements should separate on their own without reoxidation because at a given temperature they have different thermal velocities (heavier ones move slower).

The purpose of the device is to be as simple as possible. It should make a good extraction means on other planets/asteroids, but even here on Earth.
 
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Incongruent vaporisation may be of help here.

But I'm looking for something else: firstly whether the different thermal velocities can help with separation, and secondly whether the contact between the hot atomic gas and the cold surface can ensure condensation of metals on the surface without (at least complete) recombination with light elements. I assume that close to the solid surface of the rock vaporised gases have the same atomic composition as the rock, and any separation appears either during gas expansion or during condensation on the cold surface in front of the rock.

Useful temperatures would be 3000-5000 K, which would generate atomic gas and even plasma. Solar energy can give about 3000 K, with very good design maybe up to 5000 K (but it's hard). The limit is 5772 K, the temperature of the solar radiation, but that can't be achieved practically; beyond that a laser can be useful, but I don't plan that for now.
 
I recall watching a video a few years ago about a laser drilling project. Due to the differing thermal properties of the material in the rock, a stream of small fragments of rock was continually ejected from the contact point as the surface shattered. I think this is a more likely outcome than the vaporisation you are hoping for.
 

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