Solve 4-Mesh Network for Rx & Lx w/ R, C & Source Freq.

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The discussion revolves around solving a four-mesh network circuit to find the unknowns Rx and Lx in terms of given parameters R, C, and source frequency. The focus is on setting up loop equations and manipulating them to express the unknowns without dependency on each other.

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  • The initial poster describes their approach of setting up loop equations for loops 2, 3, and 4, while neglecting loop 1, and presents their derived equations.
  • They express difficulty in isolating Lx and Rx, noting that each attempt results in expressions that still include the other unknown.
  • One participant suggests replacing Rx and Lx with a single impedance Zx, eliminating loop 4, and solving for Zx in terms of the other components, which can then be converted to admittance Yx.
  • Another participant requests a detailed working out of the solution, indicating they have answers but are unsure of their derivation.
  • A link to an external thread is provided for additional reference, implying it may contain relevant information or methods.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the best method to solve for Rx and Lx, with differing approaches and suggestions being presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective strategy to isolate the unknowns.

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Homework Statement


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The four-mesh network has the mesh currents
I_1, I_2, I_3, I_4
in the indicated regions 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively. In this circuit, the resistor R and the identical capacitors (Zc) are adjusted such that
I_4=0
For this condition, the unknowns Rx and Lx can be expressed in terms of R, C and the source frequency (rad/s). Find the expressions for Rx and Lx.

What I did was I set up loop equations for loop 2, 3 and 4. I neglected loop 1.

Loop 2:
-Z_CI_1+(R+2Z_C)I_2-Z_CI_4=0\rightarrow{-Z_CI_1+(R+2Z_C)I_2=0}\rightarrow{I_1=\frac{(R+2Z_C)I_2}{Z_C}}

Since the potential across Zd is zero, we have:
(-j\omega{L_x}I_3)/Z_C=I_2
applying substitution we have,
I_1=\frac{(R+2Z_C)((-j\omega{L_x}I_3)/Z_C)}{Z_C}

Next, around loop 3:
-R_xI_1+(R_x+j\omega{L_x})I_3=0\rightarrow{-R_x(\frac{(R+2Z_C)((-j\omega{L_x}I_3)/Z_C)}{Z_C})+(R_x+j\omega{L_x})I_3=0}
The current I3 cancels, and algebraic manipulation results in:
L_x=\frac{1}{j\omega{^3}CR+2\omega{^2}-\frac{j\omega}{R_xC}}
No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get Lx in terms of simply C, R and the angular frequency; that is, the expression always has Rx when solving for Lx, and Lx when solving for Rx.

Any suggestions?
 
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Replace Rx and Lx with a single impedance Zx and eliminate loop 4. Solve for Zx in terms of the other components. That result will be a complex impedance; convert it to an admittance Yx by taking the complex reciprocal. Rx will be the inverse of the real part of Yx and the imaginary part can be converted to an inductance Lx by use of the radian frequency.
 
the electrician,

can you please show the working out. I've have got the answers but am unsure of my working out.
 
Go have a look at this thread:

http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=84745
 

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