Solve the differential equation of motional emf

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to the motion of a bar sliding on parallel rails in a magnetic field, with a focus on deriving the velocity function from the position function. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism and dynamics.

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  • Participants explore different methods to solve the differential equation, including substitution techniques and direct approaches to finding velocity. Questions are raised about the definitions of variables and the reasoning behind the chosen methods.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for simplifying the equation, while others have shared their attempts to derive the velocity directly from Newton's second law. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of small magnetic fields on the results.

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Participants are considering the assumptions made in the problem, such as the initial conditions and the relationship between the variables involved. The discussion includes the impact of a small magnetic field on the motion of the bar.

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Homework Statement
A bar of mass m, length d, and resistance R slides without friction in a horizontal plane, moving on parallel rails as shown below. A battery that maintains a constant emf ε is connected between the rails, and a constant external magnetic field B is directed perpendicular to the plane of the page. Assuming the bar starts from rest and that the field produced by the rails is very small compared to the constant external magnetic field, show that at time t it moves with what speed
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Above is the figure of the problem.

I am trying to solve x(t) and differentiate it to obtain v(t); however, I have difficulty solving the differential equation shown below.

$$ v(t)=\int a(t)dt=\int \frac{B(\varepsilon-Blv)d}{Rm}dt \Rightarrow \frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{B\varepsilon d}{Rm}t-\frac{Bld}{Rm}x $$
 
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Assuming your ODE is correct, try substituting x=y+αt+β and see if there are values for α and β which simplify the equation.
 
christang_1023 said:
Problem Statement
A bar of mass m, length d, and resistance R slides without friction in a horizontal plane, moving on parallel rails as shown below. A battery that maintains a constant emf ε is connected between the rails, and a constant external magnetic field B is directed perpendicular to the plane of the page. Assuming the bar starts from rest and that the field produced by the rails is very small compared to the constant external magnetic field, show that at time t it moves with what speed
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Shown below

View attachment 242527.
Above is the figure of the problem.

I am trying to solve x(t) and differentiate it to obtain v(t); however, I have difficulty solving the differential equation shown below.

$$ v(t)=\int a(t)dt=\int \frac{B(\varepsilon-Blv)d}{Rm}dt \Rightarrow \frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{B\varepsilon d}{Rm}t-\frac{Bld}{Rm}x $$

If you are trying to find the speed, why not solve for that directly?

What is ##l##? Is that the same as ##d##?
 
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PeroK said:
If you are trying to find the speed, why not solve for that directly?

What is ##l##? Is that the same as ##d##?
##l## is the same as ##d##.
Not solving for v directly was because I consider that ## v(t)=v_0-\int a(t)dt,## which contains ##\int vdt=x##; therefore, I wanted to solve the ODE for x first, which is shown above.

Fortunately, thanks to your hint, I manage to solve v directly based on Newton's 2nd law:
$$ F=m \frac{dv}{dt} \Rightarrow \frac{B\varepsilon d-B^2d^2v}{mR}=\frac{dv}{dt} $$
 
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##l## is the same as ##d##.
Not solving for v directly was because I consider that ## v(t)=v_0-\int a(t)dt,## which contains ##\int vdt=x##; therefore, I wanted to solve the ODE for x first, which is shown above.

Fortunately, thanks to your hint, I manage to solve v directly based on Newton's 2nd law:
$$ F=m \frac{dv}{dt} \Rightarrow \frac{B\varepsilon d-B^2d^2v}{mR}=\frac{dv}{dt} $$

What does your answer look like if ##B## is small? Does it make sense?
 
PeroK said:
What does your answer look like if ##B## is small? Does it make sense?
The result is $$ v(t)=\frac{\varepsilon}{Bd} (1-e^{-\frac{B^2d}{mR}t}) $$
According to L'Hospital's Rule, ## \lim_{B \to 0} v(t)=0,## that is to say when B is sufficiently small, the bar won't move at all, and the whole circuit remains still. It is reasonable.
 
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