Solving a Coconut's Fall: Speed, Work, & Air Resistance

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a coconut falling from a height, focusing on concepts of speed, work, and air resistance. The original poster presents a scenario where a coconut falls from a tree, and participants explore the implications of air resistance on the speed and work done during the fall.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy to determine the speed of the coconut at impact, questioning the effects of air resistance on the calculations. There is also exploration of the work-kinetic energy theorem to analyze the work done by air resistance.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations related to work done with and without air resistance, while others have acknowledged the need to revise their answers based on the distinctions made in the work done. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the implications of air resistance on the problem, with some noting the differences in work done under varying conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the need to refine calculations based on these distinctions.

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Homework Statement



A coconut, with ##m = 2.30 kg##, falls from rest from a tree which is ##h = 35.0 m## high. Take ##g = 9.78 m/s^2##.

1. What speed does the coconut hit the ground? Ignore air resistance.

2. If it actually hits the ground with a speed of ##23.9 m/s##, how much work was done by air resistance?

3. Air resistance actually varies with speed, but it is possible to calculate an average value for the air resistance using (1) and (2). Find this average force.

Homework Equations



Assume +x and +y are positive.

Picture of the scenario: http://gyazo.com/80cbb4b9e840106dc893e99eb1b76020

The Attempt at a Solution



Place a datum plane at the bottom with which to reference potential energy.

1. I simply used conservation. At the top, there is only potential. At the bottom, all the energy is kinetic, hence:

##U_{g_i} = K_f##
##mgh_i = \frac{1}{2} mv_f^2##
##(2.30)(9.78)(35.0) = \frac{1}{2} (2.30) v_f^2##
##v_f = \sqrt{2(9.78)(35.0)} = 26.165 m/s = 26.2 m/s##​

2. I was thinking I should use the work-kinetic energy theorem for this.

##W = \Delta K = K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2} (2.30) (23.9)^2 = 656.892 J = 657 J##​

3. From part (1), we know that the work done by the air resistance is:

##W_1 = \Delta K = K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2} (2.30) (26.165)^2 = 787.298 J = 787 J##​

From part (2), we know ##W_2 = 656.892 J = 657 J## hence the average work done by air resistance can be found:

##W_{avg} = \frac{W_1 + W_2}{2} = 722.095 J = 722 J##​

Hence we can find the average force of the air resistance (assuming it's not variable):

##W_{avg} = F_{air} d cos(\theta)##
##722.095 = F_{air} (- 35.0) cos(180°)##
##F_{air} = \frac{722.095}{35.0} = 20.631 N = 20.6 N##​

The positive answer indicates that the air resistance acts in the +y direction.

Does this look okay?
 
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Zondrina said:
2. I was thinking I should use the work-kinetic energy theorem for this.

##W = \Delta K = K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2} (2.30) (23.9)^2 = 656.892 J = 657 J##​
This is the net work done when air resistance acts.

3. From part (1), we know that the work done by the air resistance is:

##W_1 = \Delta K = K_f - K_i = \frac{1}{2} (2.30) (26.165)^2 = 787.298 J = 787 J##​
This is the net work done when air resistance does not act.

Revise your answers accordingly.
 
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Doc Al said:
This is the net work done when air resistance acts.


This is the net work done when air resistance does not act.

Revise your answers accordingly.

Thank you, I have face-palmed accordingly.

So when air resistance does not act, the work done is ##W_1 = 787 J##.

When air resistance does act, the work done is ##W_2 = 657 J##.

The difference between the work done when there is no air resistance and when there is air resistance is ##W_1 - W_2 = 130 J##.

Finding the average force of the air resistance now yields ##F_{air} = 3.714 N = 3.71 N##.
 
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