Solving a determinant to give it's factors

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The discussion revolves around solving a determinant with specific rows involving variables a, b, and c. The goal is to prove that the determinant equals 4(b + c)(c + a)(a + b). Participants suggest using row operations to simplify the determinant, such as replacing the third row with the sum of all three rows. There is also a recommendation to expand the determinant by cofactors for a more straightforward calculation. Overall, the conversation emphasizes different methods to approach the determinant problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


I have a determinant to solve.

Fistrow is -2a, a + b, a+c
Second row is b + a, -2b, b + c
Third row is c+a, c+b, -2c

Prove that the determinant is equal to 4 (b +c) (c +a) (a + b)


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The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried addig up rows and column both three at a time and two at a time. I am unable to find any common factor. This is one of my first sums, so I'msure I'm missing out on something.


Also, could you tell me how to enter a determinant at PhysicsForums?
 
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nirajnishad said:
Fistrow is -2a, a + b, a+c
Second row is b + a, -2b, b + c
Third row is c+a, c+b, -2c

The best way to write this is using \LaTeX, but that's best learned another day.

What operations for finding a determinant do you know about so far?

Hint: You want to try eliminating entries in one of the rows so they become 0. What about replacing the 3rd row with (3rd+2nd+1st)?
 
So you have your determinant:
<br /> \left|\begin{array}{ccc}<br /> -2a &amp; a+b &amp; a+c \\<br /> b+a &amp; -2b &amp; b+c \\<br /> c+a &amp; c+b &amp; -2c<br /> \end{array}\right|<br />
Why not just expant the determinant? It's small enough to do by hand and have in mind to keep in one of the factors in the solution. It's a cheat but it will give you some idea of determinants.
 
scottie_000 said:
The best way to write this is using \LaTeX, but that's best learned another day.

What operations for finding a determinant do you know about so far?

Hint: You want to try eliminating entries in one of the rows so they become 0. What about replacing the 3rd row with (3rd+2nd+1st)?

i have tried adding all rows and colums.
after doing it ,i am unable to find any common factor in any row or coloumn
 
You can get fancy and perform row operations to make the determinant simpler, or you can just use brute force and expand by cofactors.

For example, expanding across the top row:
\left|\begin{array}{ccc} 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 0 \\3 &amp; -2 &amp; 1 \\2 &amp; 0 &amp; -2\end{array}\right|= 1\left|\begin{array}{cc} -2 &amp; 1 \\0 &amp; -2 \end{array}\right| - 2 \left|\begin{array}{cc} 3 &amp; 1 \\2 &amp; -2 \end{array}\right| + 0\left|\begin{array}{cc} 3 &amp; -2 \\2 &amp; 0 \end{array}\right|

Now it's a matter of evaluating three 2 x 2 determinants.
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
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