Solving a differential equation using Picard's iteration method

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem y' = t + y using Picard's iteration method, with the initial condition y(0) = 0. Participants explore the iterative function φ_n(t) and its limit as n approaches infinity, while also evaluating specific values of φ_3(t).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the iterative functions φ_n(t) and expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the series representation of e^t and the solution to the differential equation. Other participants question the correctness of the derived solutions and clarify the series expansion.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications on the series for e^t and its implications for the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between different forms of the solution, but no consensus has been reached regarding the final form of y.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the constants in the solutions and the interpretation of terms in the context of the differential equation. There is also mention of the need to evaluate φ_3(t) at specific points, which remains unaddressed pending resolution of the main solution.

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Use Picard's iteration method to solve the initial value problem y' = t + y, y(0) = 0. Determine \phi_{n}(t) for an arbitrary value of n, and take the limit as n goes to infinity. Of course, you know the series for e^t, so you will recognize the limit function \phi_{n}(t). Also evaluate \phi_{3}(t) at t=0, 0.1, and 0.2.

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I set up the problem by letting \phi_{n+1}(t) = \int^{0}_{t}f(s, \phi_{n}(s))ds

What I get is \phi_{0}(t) = 0, \phi_{1}(t) = \frac{t^{2}}{2}, \phi_{2}(t) = \frac{t^{2}}{2} + \frac{t^{3}}{6}, \phi_{3}(t) = \frac{t^{2}}{2} + \frac{t^{3}}{6} + \frac{t^{4}}{24}. So clearly,

\phi_{n}(t) = \frac{t^{2}}{2!} + \frac{t^{3}}{3!} + \frac{t^{4}}{4!} + ... + \frac{t^{n}}{n!} = e^{t} - e -1.

But I know that the differential equation y' = t + y has the unique solution y = \frac{-te^{-t} - e^{-t} +1}{e^{-t}}:

Rewrite the de as follows:
y' + (-1)y = t
\mu(t) = e^{\int(-1)dt} = e^{-t}
e^{-t}y' + e^{-t}(-1)y = e^{-t}t
\frac{d}{dt}[ye^{-t}] = e^{-t}t
ye^{-t} = -te^{-t} + \int e^{-t} = -te^{-t} - e^{-t}
y =\frac{-te^{-t} - e^{-t} + C}{e^{-t}}

And we can solve for C easily...but i'll save you that and tell you C = 1 (I think)

These two are not equal...

I'm really confused...as for the evaluation part, I can do that once I've solved the DE.
 
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Series for et is
e^t =1+t+\frac{t^2}{2}+\frac{t^3}{6}+\frac{t^4}{24}+...
So your series is
e^t - 1 - t

Thats the same thing as your second solution.
 
So y = \frac{-te^{-t} - e^{-t} +1}{e^{-t}} = e^{t} - e -1?
 
stripes said:
So y = \frac{-te^{-t} - e^{-t} +1}{e^{-t}} = e^{t} - e -1?


No, where do you keep getting this -e from?

y = \frac{-te^{-t} - e^{-t} +1}{e^{-t}} = e^{t} - t -1
 
Right. I kept thinking e^1. But it's t^1. Thank you.
 

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