Solving a PDE with Characteristic Curves and Initial Conditions

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Homework Statement



sin(y)\frac{ \partial u}{ \partial x} + \frac{ \partial u}{ \partial y} = (xcos(y)-sin^2(y))u

where ln(u(x,\frac{\pi}{2})) = x^2 + x - \frac{\pi}{2} for -1 \leq x \leq 3

determine the characteristic curves in the xy plane and draw 3 of them
determine the general solution of this pde
determine the particular solution and show that u(0,0) = e
sketch the region of influence of the initial conditions

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The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = 1/siny this gives K = x + cosy
if i draw this out is it a cos wave along the y-axis and to draw 3 of them i let k = 0,1,2?
what happens as i add k?
 
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to get the general solution \frac{ du}{ dx} = \frac{xcos(y) - sin^2(y))u}{ sin y}

for which i get ln(u) = x^2 \frac{cosy}{2siny} -xsiny +F(x-cosy)

so then i transferred in the given valuey= \pi/2 just to check if it works out but it doesnt. what am i doing wrong here. Am i even going about this the right way...
 
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Write the PDE as:
<br /> \dot{x}=\sin y,\quad\dot{y}=1,\quad\dot{u}=(x\cos y-\sin^{2}y)u<br />
Integrate the y equation to obtain y=s+\pi /2, substitute this into the equation for x and integrate to obtain x=\sin s+r, where we parametrised the initial data as x=r, and u(r)=r^{2}+r-\pi /2, insert this into the final equation and integrate as a function of s, the characteristic variable. This will be your general solution.
 
hunt_mat said:
Write the PDE as:
<br /> Integrate the y equation to obtain y=s+\pi /2,
<br /> <br /> Hi Mat,<br /> Thanks a million.<br /> I don&#039;t understand where the pi/2 came from?the constant of integration..
 
If s is the characteristic variable, then y(0)=\pi /2.

Do you have my notes on first order PDEs?
 
Thanks, that makes sense.

are your notes online?
 
As the initial conditions (at s=0) are paramatrised by x=r, y=\pi /2 and \log u=r^{2}+r-\pi /2.

My notes are on this site somewhere, but if you can't find them, drop me a PM a with you e-mail and I will e-mail them to you.

I have noticed that you do ask quite a few questions about 1st order PDEs.
 
we use t as s here so I'm just going to leave it as t

\frac{dx}{dt} = sin(y)

\frac{dy}{dt} = 1
y=t+k
@t=0 y=\frac{\pi}{2}
=>y=t+\frac{\pi}{2}

then
\frac{dx}{dt} = sin(t+ \frac{\pi}{2})
Simplifies to \frac{dx}{dt} = cos(t)
so x = sint + k

you parameterised x=r and subed into eq 3.

do i sub in the values I've got for x and y into eq3? no mater what i sub in it doesn't work out.
 
You have dx/dt=sin(t-pi/2) and using the initial values you also have x+sin(y)=r. So what you do is substitute x and y for their respective functions and integrate.
 
  • #10
hunt_mat said:
You have dx/dt=sin(t-pi/2)

should that be dx/dt=sin(t+pi/2)
 
  • #11
Sorry, you're right.
 
  • #12
\frac{du}{dt} = xcos(t+\frac{\pi}{2}) -sin^2(t+\frac{\pi}{2})

\frac{du}{dt} = -xsin(t) -sin^2(t+\frac{\pi}{2})

\frac{du}{dt} = -(sin(t) + k)sin(t) -sin^2(t+\frac{\pi}{2})

\frac{du}{dt} = -(sin^2(t) + ksin(t) -sin^2(t+\frac{\pi}{2})

and then integrate?
 
  • #13
sorry there should be a u at the end of all them eqs
 
  • #14
Expand the trig function and then integrate.
 
  • #15
i do it all out and i get ln(u) = t-ksin(t)
 
  • #16
We have y=t+\pi /2 and x=\sin t+k, inserting these in the equation for u to obtain:
<br /> \frac{\dot{u}}{u}=(\sin t+k)(-\sin t)-\sin^{2}t<br />
Now to integrate this.
 
  • #17
is that not the same as \frac{\dot{u}}{u}=(-2sin^2 t + ksin t)

for which i get -(t-\frac{1}{2}Sin 2t) + kcos t and then i throw in the values for k and t but...
 
  • #18
That is, you should get the solution:
<br /> \log u=\frac{1}{2}\sin 2t-t-k\cos t+k^{2}+k-\frac{\pi}{2}<br />
Upon using the initial condition for u. Now insert t=y-\pi /2 and k=x+\cos y and you have your solution.
 
  • #19
is the intregral of -2sin^2 t not \frac{1}{2}(t-\frac{1}{2}sin(2t) and ksin(t) =kcos(t)...i don't follow where you got the k^2 from...
 
  • #20
Oh yes, you're correct my mistake. The k^2 term comes from the initial condition for u which is:
<br /> u\left( k,\frac{\pi}{2}\right) =k^{2}+k-\frac{\pi}{2}<br />
 
  • #21
right so we've integrated but i still don't get why you just added k^2+k-pi/2 on to the end of the integral...
 
  • #22
oh feck, sorry its obvious. Thanks a million
 
  • #23
From here it should be easy to compute u(0,0) to get the answer required. My notes have notes of examples like this.
 
  • #24
u(0,0) is grand, no bothers there.
The region of influence though, is there anything in your notes about it?
 
  • #25
Sadly no, you will have to do a bit of googling for that.
 
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