Solving a Peculiar Circuit: Find the Transfer Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the transfer function of a peculiar electrical circuit where the output voltage (Vout) is measured across an inductor rather than referencing ground. Participants explore methods for deriving the transfer function Vout(s)/Vi(s) and discuss the appropriateness of different analytical techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster, Leo, describes the circuit and presents an attempt at finding the transfer function using the mesh-current method, resulting in H(s)=\frac{V_{out}}{V_{i}}=\frac{3s^2}{6s^3+5s^2+20s+10}.
  • Some participants affirm that Leo's solution looks good and that the method used is appropriate.
  • Another participant suggests that nodal analysis could also be a viable method for solving transfer function problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be general agreement among some participants regarding the correctness of Leo's solution, though no consensus is reached on whether a simpler method exists, as alternative approaches are mentioned without definitive conclusions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve whether the proposed transfer function is indeed correct, nor does it clarify the potential advantages or disadvantages of the different methods mentioned.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in circuit analysis, particularly those looking for different methods to derive transfer functions in electrical engineering contexts.

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Hi all,

New to the forums here, but I've got a question for you guys:

I've ran into this rather peculiar circuit. In all the circuits I've seen (as far as transfer functions go), Vout has always referenced ground (e.g. one node of Vout is ground); in this one, however Vout is across an inductor. I've attached the circuit diagram. (excuse the crudeness of the circuit diagram...quickly whipped it up on Paint :rolleyes:).


Homework Statement



Find the transfer function Vout(s)/Vi(s) of the circuit.

R=1Ω, L1=2H, L2=3H, C=0.1F

Homework Equations



Zr = R; Zl=Ls; Zc=1/Cs; KVL; KCL, etc.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since Vout wasn't referencing ground, I figured that I needed to use the mesh-current method to get equations for Vi and Vout for each loop. After some rather nasty symbolic matrix algebra, I got expressions for I1 and I2 (loop currents), plugged each of those back into the mesh-current equations, and obtained:

H(s)=\frac{V_{out}}{V_{i}}=\frac{3s^2}{6s^3+5s^2+20s+10}

Is this correct? Also another question: is there a simpler way to do this? Forgive my idiocy but I might be missing something terribly obvious...

It's been a while since this textbook stuff! I tinker around quite a bit with circuits, but I'm no EE...I guess that's what I get for being mechanical :biggrin:

Thanks everyone!

-Leo.
 

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Your solution looks good. Your method is fine too.
 


Leomusic said:
Is this correct? Also another question: is there a simpler way to do this? Forgive my idiocy but I might be missing something terribly obvious...

Nodal analysis also works well for these transfer function problems. See the image.
 

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Sounds good! Thanks a lot guys.

-Leo.
 


I too can corroborate your answer as being correct. Happy days!
 

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