Solving a Plumb Bob Problem: Accelerating an Incline with a Diagram

In summary, the box car is accelerating up an incline and the plumb bob makes an angle c with the perpendicular to the ceiling. Find the acceleration of the box car.
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Dorothy Weglend
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I seem to be specializing in plumb bobs this week:rolleyes:

A box car has a freely hangling plumb bob (from the ceiling). It is accelerating up an incline. which makes an angle b with the horizontal. The plumb bob makes an angle c with the perpendicular to the ceiling. Find the acceleration of the box car.

This didn't seem that tough, but my solution is so different from the books that I thought I would ask about it. I hope someone has some time to look this over. I've attached a diagram for my work.

From the box car ceiling, I have two angles. One is just b, the same as the incline, which is the angle the bob would make with the perpendicular if there is no acceleration. The other is a, which is the angle caused by the acceleration. So a+b = c, the angle of the perpendicular to the ceiling.

Fy = T cos a - mg = 0
Fx = T cos a = ma

Solve these to get a = g tan a.

a = c - b, so the final solution is: a = g tan (c - b). Simple and nice. I wish it were right, too :frown:

The books answer is quite complicated:

a = g ((cos b)(tan c) - (sin b))

I tried simplifying this with some trig identities to get my expression, but it doesn't seem to be possible.

Thanks, as always, for any help.
Dorothy
 

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Dorothy Weglend said:
A box car has a freely hangling plumb bob (from the ceiling). It is accelerating up an incline. which makes an angle b with the horizontal. The plumb bob makes an angle c with the perpendicular to the ceiling. Find the acceleration of the box car.

So a+b = c, the angle of the perpendicular to the ceiling.

Fy = T cos a - mg = 0
Fx = T cos a = ma

Solve these to get a = g tan a.
I suggest you use a for acceleration and call the angle [itex]\alpha = c-b[/itex].

You are forgetting that there vertical component of acceleration so the vertical force is equal to mg + may:

[tex]F_y = T\cos\alpha = ma_y + mg[/tex]

[tex]F_x = T\sin\alpha = ma_x[/tex]

[tex]\frac{a_x}{g + a_y} = tan\alpha[/tex]

and [itex]a_x = a cos b; a_y = a sin b[/itex]

See if you can get that to work out.

AM
 
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The box car (and the bob) is accelerating up the incline. This means that the bob is accelerating in both the x and y directions. So your equation

Fy = T cos a - mg = 0

should be changed to

[tex]F_y = T \cos(a) - mg = ma_y[/tex]

you get the other component of the acceleration [itex]a_x[/itex] for considering the force components acting on the bob in the x direction. To get the acceleration along the incline you need to combine these two acceleration components.

The direction that it is not accelerating in in this case is perpendicular to the incline. So the problem "might" be solved easier if you choose the x-direction along the incline and the y-direction perpendicular to it.
 
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Slight change to previous post.
 
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Argh, what a dumb mistake! Thank you both very much.

Dorothy
 
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Thanks again... What I ended up doing was this:

Sum Fy = T cos c - mg cos b = 0
Sum Fx = T sin c - mg sin b = ma

And solving these gets the same answer in the book... And it makes sense now, thanks to you guys.

Thanks so much!
Dorothy
 

Related to Solving a Plumb Bob Problem: Accelerating an Incline with a Diagram

1. What is a plumb bob problem?

A plumb bob problem is a physics problem that involves determining the acceleration of an object sliding down an incline.

2. How do I solve a plumb bob problem?

To solve a plumb bob problem, you will need to use principles of physics such as Newton's laws of motion and the concept of acceleration due to gravity. You will also need to draw a diagram to visually represent the problem.

3. What is a plumb bob diagram?

A plumb bob diagram is a visual representation of the plumb bob problem. It typically includes the incline, the object, and any other relevant forces or angles.

4. How do I find the acceleration of an object using a plumb bob diagram?

To find the acceleration of an object using a plumb bob diagram, you will need to use trigonometry to break down the forces acting on the object and use Newton's second law of motion (F=ma) to calculate the acceleration.

5. What are some common mistakes when solving a plumb bob problem?

One common mistake when solving a plumb bob problem is not considering all the forces acting on the object, such as friction or air resistance. Another mistake is not properly labeling or representing the forces on the diagram. Additionally, not using the correct equations or not correctly applying them can also lead to errors in solving the problem.

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