Solving an AS Physics Problem: Steel & Brass Extension

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the extension of steel and brass wires when subjected to a force. The problem provides specific dimensions, material properties, and a force applied to the combined wires, prompting participants to explore the calculation of total extension.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of total extension by considering individual extensions of the steel and brass wires. There is uncertainty about how to determine strain with the given information, and some participants suggest using the relationship between stress and strain.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on how to calculate strain and total extension. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulas involved, but there is no consensus on the approach to take, particularly concerning the impact of wire weight.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clarity regarding the arrangement of the wires and the potential significance of the weight of the lower wire on the overall extension calculation.

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hello, i am currently going over past exam questions to further my knowledge in as physics when i came across this old question which i don't quite understand,

a length of steel and a length of brass are joined together. This combination is suspended from a fixed support and a force of 80n is applied at the bottom end

each wire has a cross scetional area of 2.4 x 10(-6)m(squared)

length of steel wire = 0.80m
length of brass wire = 1.40m
youngs modulas for steel = 2.0 x 10(11)pa
youngs modulas for brass = 1.0 x 10(11)pa

calculate the total extension produced when the force 80n is applied


basically so far I've substituted stress to be 80n/2.4 x 10(-6)

but I am not sure about the change in length on the strain side of things

someone help?
 
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If this is not a calculus-based question, then the answer is simple: the total extension is the sum of the individual extension with 80 N applied.

This ignores the fact that the upper portions of wire will have to include the weight of the lower portions (in addition to the 80 N). This means you'd need to integrate the strain over the length of the wire.

Two reasons why I don't think that's required: on first glance this additional weight is insignificant (very thin wires), and they don't specify which wire is above the other.

So I'm thinking it's the simpler solution. Find the strain of each and apply it to the original length of each to find the extension of each, then add them.
 
but how do i find the strain on each with the information given
 
chaz699 said:
but how do i find the strain on each with the information given

E=\sigma/\epsilon,

where E is YM, \sigma is stress, and \epsilon is strain.
 
and strain is the ratio of change in length over initial length, ∆L/L
 

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