Solving Bat Doppler Effect Homework Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a bat flying towards a cave wall and emitting a sound, with the goal of determining the distance to the wall when the echo is heard. The context includes concepts from kinematics and the Doppler effect, specifically focusing on sound propagation and relative motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations involving the speed of sound and the bat's speed, with one participant suggesting a more complex approach to find the initial distance to the wall. Others explore the relationship between the distances traveled by sound and the bat during the echo time.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative methods for approaching the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations to find the initial distance, but no consensus has been reached on the final solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the given time and speeds, and there is an acknowledgment of potential oversimplifications in the calculations. The nature of the problem requires careful consideration of the distances involved in both directions of sound travel.

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Homework Statement


A bat, flying at a constant speed of 19.5 m/s in a straight line toward a vertical cave wall, makes a single clicking noise and hears the echo 0.15 s later. Assuming that she continued flying at her original speed, how close was she to the wall when she received the echo? Assume a speed of 343 m/s for the speed of sound.


Homework Equations



The only equation we were given is speed= change of d/time

The Attempt at a Solution



i took the speed of sound 343*.15s to get 51.45
then i took the speed of the bat 19.5*.15s to get 2.93

then i subtracted the two and got 48.52


this doesn't not seem right any suggestions?


Thank you !
 
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Welcome to PF, Merf!
Clever of you to figure out that the bat goes 2.9 m and the sound goes 51.5m. I didn't see that and did something much more complicated for nothing.

But you have oversimplified the last step.
Say the initial distance to the wall is x. Then the sound goes distance x on the way to the wall plus x - 2.9 on the way back. If you total that up and set it equal to 51.5, you'll be able to find x and then have only a small step to get the answer, which is about half the answer you had.
 
In the given time ( 0.15 s) the noise travels x m in forward direction and y m in reverse direction. So
0.15 = (x+y)/Vs. where Vs is the velocity of the sound.
The bat travels (x-y) m. So
0.15 = (x-y)/Vb, where Vb is the velocity of the bat.

Now solve for x and y. Required answer is y.
 
Thank you !
 

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