Solving for Electric Potential Energy , given 4 point charges of equal value

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential energy of four equal point charges placed at the corners of a square. Each charge has a value of +4.0 mC, and the sides of the square measure 0.30 m. The original poster is attempting to determine the electric potential energy using relevant equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the equation for electric potential (V) to find the electric potential energy (EPE) but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach. Some participants suggest using the equation U_E = qV and discuss the contributions to potential energy from interactions between multiple charges.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different equations and approaches to calculate the electric potential energy. There is a recognition that the total potential energy involves contributions from all charge interactions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or final answer.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes confusion regarding the transition from electric potential (V) to electric potential energy (EPE) and the need for clarity on the appropriate equations to use. There is also an implication that the problem may involve multiple interactions between charges that need to be accounted for.

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Homework Statement



Four point charges are individually brought from infinity and placed at the corners of a square whose sides are 0.30 m each. Each charge has the identical value + 4.0 mC. What is the electric potential energy of these four charges?

Homework Equations



V=kq/r (or at least this is the equation I have been attempting to use to solve this)
k= 9 x 10^9 Nm^2/C^2
q= 4 x 10^-6 C
r= 3.0 m

The Attempt at a Solution



[(9x10^9)(4x10^-6)]/.3=1.2X10^5

Since all charges are the same I take that answer multiply by four to get the sum, which gives me 4.8x10^5 V.

However, the answer is in V and I need an answer in Joules (J). So I am assuming I am not even using the correct equation to solve for EPE. I'm sure if I could figure out what equation to use to solve for EPE in Joules, I could do the math. My problem is not knowing what equation to use to solve the problem.
 
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Do you know the equation [tex]U_E = qV[/tex]?
 
Yeah, I actually came across that a few minutes ago and tried to plug in what I knew.
which would give me UE=qV, or (4x10^-6)(4.8x10^5)=1.92 Joules.

I plugged in the answer for V that I got before, and used the given charge.

Does this sound right?
 
hmm I don't think so. Consider this: if a charge is brought from infinity to one of the corners of the square, that charge gains potential energy due to the presence of all the other charges. That means that the total potential energy will be the sum of energies between q1 and q2, q1 and q3, q2 and q3, q1 and q4, q2 and q4, and q3 and q4 (where q1-4 are the charges). Note that [tex]U_E = qV = \frac{k q_1q_2}{r}[/tex]
 

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