Solving for Magnetic Fields from time varying Electric fields

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The discussion revolves around solving for magnetic fields generated by time-varying electric fields using Maxwell's equations, particularly focusing on the Ampere-Maxwell law. Participants explore mathematical approaches and methods, including the use of Green's functions and the Biot-Savart law, while addressing the complexities involved in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to derive the magnetic field from a time-varying electric field represented as <0,0,t> using the Ampere-Maxwell equation, leading to a set of equations involving derivatives of the magnetic field components.
  • Another participant asserts that the absence of a current does not affect Maxwell's equations and suggests using the free-space Green's function to express the magnetic field, raising concerns about the convergence of the integral if the electric field is time-varying everywhere.
  • A participant requests clarification on the method involving Green's functions, indicating a lack of familiarity with the approach.
  • In response, a participant explains the concept of Green's functions in solving differential equations, detailing how they can be applied to find solutions for fields generated by sources, including extending the method to three dimensions.

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Participants express differing levels of familiarity with the mathematical methods discussed, and while some agree on the applicability of Green's functions, there is no consensus on the best approach to solve the original problem posed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations regarding the convergence of integrals when dealing with time-varying electric fields and the assumptions required for applying Green's functions. Specific mathematical steps and the implications of the chosen methods remain unresolved.

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Hi all, new to the forums.
Anyways I had a day off and decided to try something quirky with maxwells equations.
Using the Ampere-Maxwell equation, I tried to solve for the magnetic field that would be created by a <0,0,t> Electric field. (No current and no magnetic materials)

∇ x B = εμ(∂E/∂t)
∇ x B = εμ<0,0,1> (Pardon the bad notation)

∇ x B=< ∂Bz/∂y-∂By/∂z , ∂Bx/∂z-∂Bz/∂x , ∂By/∂x-∂Bx/∂y >

Equating the components, we have:

∂Bz/∂y=∂By/∂z

∂Bx/∂z=∂Bz/∂x

∂By/∂x-∂Bx/∂y=1

Here's the problem, How do I solve this mess?
 
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That the source of the magnetic field the time-varying electric field and not an actual current makes no difference to Maxwell's equations. Because \nabla \cdot B = 0 still, you can remove the derivative through its inverse, the free-space Green's function r/4\pi|r|^3. What you get is

B(r) \propto \int_V \frac{\hat z \times (r - r&#039;)}{4 \pi |r - r&#039;|^3} \; d^3r&#039;

This result (when the proper proportionality constants are in) is the Biot-Savart law. The problem, however, is that if this electric field is time-varying everywhere, then I doubt this integral converges. You'll likely have to confine yourself to a 2D plane and invoke symmetry, or even simplify the source electric field to being nonzero only at a specific point, unless you're explicitly interested in the case of E being nonzero throughout a particular region.
 
Sorry I'm not familiar with the method you're referring to here, could you elaborate?
 
You're not familiar with the use of Green's functions to solve differential equations? I'm not terribly surprised, I guess; the topic is sometimes treated like it's esoteric. Here's the basic idea:

Many differential equations are of the form dA/dx = J. It's first order, and it's simple. The Green's function for d/dx is defined such that dG/dx = \delta(x)--the delta function.

This isn't immediately useful until you use it with the fundamental theorem of calculus, which can be written as

\left. A(x) \right|_a^b = \int_a^b \frac{dA}{dx} \; dx = \int_a^b J(x) \; dx

Now, using the fundamental theorem above (with dA/dx = J), just for fun, consider

\left. A(x&#039;) G(x-x&#039;) \right|_{x&#039;=a}^b = \int_a^b \frac{dA(x&#039;)}{dx&#039;} G(x-x&#039;) + A(x&#039;) \frac{dG(x-x&#039;)}{dx&#039;} \; dx&#039; = \int_a^b J(x&#039;) G(x-x&#039;) - A(x&#039;) \delta(x-x&#039;) \; dx&#039;

Now, if we let a \to -\infty and b \to \infty, we cover the whole real line. We generally require the solution for G(x) to be well-behaved there, so the term on the left-hand side goes to zero. Remember also that when you integrate over a delta function, it forces the argument to zero. This leads to

0 = \int_{-\infty}^\infty J(x&#039;) G(x-x&#039;) \; dx&#039; - A(x) \implies A(x) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty J(x&#039;) G(x-x&#039;) \; dx&#039;

So, if you know the form of the Green's function for a particular differential operator and the source that generates the field, you can solve for the field through this integration. Extending this to 3D isn't too hard, but it requires some mathematical formalism that may obscure the point. The Green's function for \nabla is well known--you use it every time you talk about the field from a point charge, because we model point charges as delta function sources anyway.
 

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