Solving Friction Forces: Finding Coefficients for Block & Surface

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A 25.0-kg block requires a horizontal force of 75.0 N to initiate motion and 60.0 N to maintain constant speed, prompting a discussion on calculating the coefficients of static and kinetic friction. The equations of motion are established using net force for the x-direction and equilibrium for the y-direction. The normal force is determined to be equal to the weight of the block, mg. The coefficient of static friction is derived from the relationship μ(s)n = ma, where n is the normal force. The participants successfully navigate through the problem setup to find the required coefficients.
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1. A 25.0-kg block is initially at rest on a horizontal surface.
A horizontal force of 75.0 N is required to set the block in
motion, after which a horizontal force of 60.0 N is required
to keep the block moving with constant speed. Find (a) the
coefficient of static friction and (b) the coefficient of
kinetic friction between the block and the surface.



2. Homework Equations



3. i need help setting up the problem. i would apply the net force model for the x direction and equilibrium model for the y model. i need to know if this is right.
Fx = 75.0N - F(static) - 60.0N = ma
Fy = n - mg = 0

 
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What is the expression for the coefficient of static friction?
 
is the expression for static friction just
-Fs = ma
 
physics=world said:
is the expression for static friction just
-Fs = ma
Not the above expression.
The expression for μ in terms of normal force and maximum frictional force.
 
rl.bhat said:
Not the above expression.
The expression for μ in terms of normal force and maximum frictional force.



oh okay. so i got

μ(s)n = ma

than i got n = mg for the second equation.

do i plug in "n" to the expression μ(s)n = ma ?

which would give me μ(s)mg = ma
 
physics=world said:
oh okay. so i got

μ(s)n = ma

than i got n = mg for the second equation.

do i plug in "n" to the expression μ(s)n = ma ?

which would give me μ(s)mg = ma
Correct. Now in the given problem, what is the normal force and ma?
 
rl.bhat said:
Correct. Now in the given problem, what is the normal force and ma?

hmm would mg = -245?
i don't know what the normal force is. i thought that mg and n always canceled to make it equal to zero.

opps. i meant would ma = 75
 
Normal reaction is equal and opposite to mg. mg acts on the floor and normal reaction acts on the block. Now you can find the coefficient of static friction.
 
rl.bhat said:
Normal reaction is opposite to mg. Now you can find the coefficient of static friction.

THANKS! i found it!:smile:
 
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