Solving Isothermal Expansion Problem - Temperature Calculation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around an isothermal expansion problem involving a monatomic ideal gas, where participants are trying to determine the temperature at the beginning and end of the process based on given pressure and volume values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law (PV = nRT) to calculate temperature, with some questioning the validity of their results based on the large values obtained. There is also a consideration of unit conversions from kPa to Pa.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and expressing confusion over the results. Some suggest that the question itself may be flawed, while others are attempting to clarify the reasoning behind the large temperature values calculated.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the specific conditions of the gas and the implications of the volume and pressure values provided in the problem statement. There is mention of standard temperature and pressure (STP) for context.

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Homework Statement


Suppose 161 moles of a monatomic ideal gas undergoes an isothermal expansion as shown in the figure (attached). The horizontal axis is marked in increments on 20 m3

What is the temperature at the beginning and at the end of this process?

Homework Equations


PV = nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


Pi = 400 kPa
Vi = 20 m3
Pf = 100 kPa
Vf = 80 m3

T = (PV)/(nR) = (400*20)/(161*8.31) = 5.98 K

My answer is wrong according to the online homework grading system. What am I doing wrong?
Any help is appreciated.
 

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The pressure is kilo pascal.
 
OK. But even if I convert kPa to Pa and calculate, that's still not the answer.
T = (400,000 Pa * 20) / (161*8.31) = 5979 K
This seems outrageously large.
 
morsel said:
OK. But even if I convert kPa to Pa and calculate, that's still not the answer.
T = (400,000 Pa * 20) / (161*8.31) = 5979 K
This seems outrageously large.
True. But you can blame the person who drafted the question. That is the right answer to this question.

One mole of a gas at STP occupies 22.4 litres or .0224 m^3. That is at about 100 kPa pressure and a temperature of 273 K. Here, you have 161 times that amount of gas occupying 80/.0224 = 3571 times as much volume. So to reach the same 1 atm pressure the temperature has to be 3571/161 = 22 times the temperature at STP -about 6000 degrees.

AM
 
Okay. Thanks for your help.
 

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