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The discussion revolves around the effects of relativistic speeds on time perception, particularly focusing on a hypothetical scenario where a person, referred to as Bob, travels to the moon at speeds close to the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of time dilation, how it affects the observer on Earth, and the visual perception of Bob's actions during his journey.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that Bob's journey would result in him experiencing only seconds while centuries could pass on Earth upon his return.
  • Another participant argues that for Bob to be significantly younger than those on Earth, he would need to travel to a location light-centuries away, as the time difference would be limited to seconds for a trip to the moon.
  • It is noted that an observer on Earth would perceive Bob's movements in slow motion due to his high speed, and that special equipment would be needed to see him due to light wavelength shifts.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the time dilation factor, questioning how it relates to the perceived duration of the trip for both Bob and the observer.
  • Another participant clarifies that the time experienced by Bob would be divided by the dilation factor, not multiplied, leading to a misunderstanding about the time experienced by each party.
  • There is a mention of the Twin Paradox, emphasizing that the traveling twin (Bob) returns younger than the stationary twin (the observer).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of time dilation and the specifics of how it affects the perceived time for both Bob and the observer. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the time experienced during the journey, and confusion persists regarding the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference a calculator for relativistic effects, indicating reliance on specific assumptions about speed and distance. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the visual perception of fast-moving objects and the conditions under which time dilation occurs.

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Individuals interested in the concepts of relativity, time dilation, and the implications of high-speed travel in physics may find this discussion relevant.

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I think i understand that if my friend, let's call him bob - were to travel to the moon and back at near the speed of light, when he got back, it would seem like only seconds to him but centuries could easily have passed on Earth once he comes back to a stop.

my question is - if bob launched in his near-light-speed ship to the moon, after he waved goodbye out the window and pressed the 'launch' button, what would 'I' see him doing? since his time has slowed down, would he look like he was in suspended animation to me? if so, would i be able to anything to his ship to alter it's course?
 
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Since it only takes seconds for light to get to the moon and back, the most that bob could be younger than the rest of us on Earth would be just seconds, not centuries. He'd have to go to a place that was light-centuries away in order to return to an Earth that was centuries older than when he left.

When you watch an object moving rapidly away from you, you would "see" it in slow motion and you would continue to "see" it moving away from you even after it turned around and started back home. When you finally "see" it turn around, it will be almost all the way back home at which point you will "see" it in fast motion for a very short time. Since you "see" it in slow motion for the fast majority of the trip, its age has progressed very little while yours has progressed a lot.

NOTE: the reason why I put "see" in quotes is because the wavelengths of light for fast moving ojects will shift them to invisible colors, so you would need some special telescopes that could see these wavelengths and render them in a region that you could see, kind of light night-vision goggles that are sensitive to infra-red.
 
thanks - i guess I'm still missing something then? i thought that if bob travels at really close to the speed of light, say .9999995c then his time could slow-down by close to 1000x (according to the calculator at http://www.1728.org/reltivty.htm) . so maybe we're not talking years, but something close to an hour(?)
 
DuckSoup said:
thanks - i guess I'm still missing something then? i thought that if bob travels at really close to the speed of light, say .9999995c then his time could slow-down by close to 1000x (according to the calculator at http://www.1728.org/reltivty.htm) . so maybe we're not talking years, but something close to an hour(?)

And how is that not consistent with what ghwellsjr said? If you choose a speed such that the dilation factor is 1000, then for you it will seem like the trip took several seconds and for him it will seem like the trip took several seconds divided by 1000.
 
ah ok. i guess i had it backwards then, as i thought his perspective would be several seconds multiplied, not divided, by 1000. thanks
 
DuckSoup said:
ah ok. i guess i had it backwards then, as i thought his perspective would be several seconds multiplied, not divided, by 1000. thanks

Just remember, in the Twin Paradox, the traveling twin comes back younger.
 

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