Specific & Latent Heat - Heat required to turn water in Aluminum Tray -> Ice

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat required to convert 200 g of water in an aluminum tray to ice at -15°C, starting from 18°C. The main formula used is Q = mcΔT for specific heat and Q = mLf for latent heat. Participants identify potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding the signs and values used for the latent heat of fusion and temperature changes. The correct values and signs are crucial for accurate results, with one participant suggesting that the latent heat should be treated as a negative value since heat is being removed. The final calculations lead to differing results, indicating the need for careful attention to detail in the computational process.
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Specific & Latent Heat - Heat required to turn water in Aluminum Tray --> Ice

Homework Statement



200 g Water (l) is contained in an Aluminum ice tray that has a mass of 340 g. Both is at 18°C. How much heat (Q) must be removed to turn the water into ice at -15°C?

Aluminum mAl= 340g
Water mW= 200g
Ti= 18°C

Tf= -15°C


Homework Equations



Specific Heat Q = mcΔT
Latent Heat Q = mLf

The Attempt at a Solution



QNET= heat removed to bring Aluminum from 18°C to -15°C
+ heat removed to bring Waterl from 18°C to 0°C
+ heat removed from water to change phase (liquid to solid)
+ heat removed to bring ice from 0°C to -15°C

QNET = (mcΔT)Al + (mcΔT)W(l) + (mLf)w + (mcΔT)W(s)

QNET = [.34kg (900 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(-15°C-18°C)] + [.2kg (4186 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(0°C - 18°C)] +[.2kg (333*103 \frac{J}{kg})] + [.2kg (2100 \frac{J}{kg*°C}) (-15°C-0°C)
QNET = 35132.4 J = 35.1324 kJ

My answer is not one of the choices. What am I doing wrong? Please help!

Thank you in advance. Any and all help is much appreciated!
 
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when I did it I got 97.9kJ. I can only imagine that something went wrong with all the - signs.
For the Al I used temp change = 33 (18 to -15), for the water 18 and for the ice 15.
 


I think you might omit 103 from the latent heat.

ehild
 


ehild said:
I think you might omit 103 from the latent heat.

Latent Heat as given on the table was 333 kJ/kg. I needed it to be J/kg, which came out to be 333*103 J/kg.
 


There is certainly nothing wrong with your method (as far as I can see) it must be a computational error somewhere.
 


technician said:
when I did it I got 97.9kJ. I can only imagine that something went wrong with all the - signs.
For the Al I used temp change = 33 (18 to -15), for the water 18 and for the ice 15.

"For the Al I used temp change = 33 (18 to -15)"

Q = mcΔT
33 grams for the mass of the Aluminum tray?
QAl= (.34 kg) (900 \frac{J}{kg*C°})(-15°C - 18°C)
did I lay that out wrong or did I use the wrong numbers?

"for the water 18"
Water in liquid form is from 18°C to 0°C

"ice 15"
Ice from 0°C to -15°C

is that what you meant?
 


technician said:
There is certainly nothing wrong with your method (as far as I can see) it must be a computational error somewhere.

Q(aluminum) = -10098 J
Q (water from 18°C to 0°C) = - 150696 J
Q (water to ice phase change) = 666000 J
Q (ice from 0°C to -15°C) = -6300 J

(-10098 J) + (-150696 J) + (666000 J) + (-6300 J) = 35,132.4 J = 35.13 kJ

What am I doing wrong? Are the signs wrong?
 


format1998 said:
QNET = [.34kg (900 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(-15°C-18°C)] + [.2kg (4186 \frac{J}{kg*°C})(0°C - 18°C)] +[.2kg (333*103 \frac{J}{kg})] + [.2kg (2100 \frac{J}{kg*°C}) (-15°C-0°C)

The latent heat has to be taken with negative sign. It is also removed heat. Change + to minus.

ehild
 


my values are
Q for aluminium =0.34 x 900 x 33 = 10098 J
Q water 18 to 0 = 0.2 x 4186 x 18 = 15070 J
Q water to ice = 0.2 x 333000 = 66600 J I think this is the difference!
Q ice to -15 = 0.2 x 2100 x 15 = 6300 J
These all add up to 10098 + 15070 +66600 +6300 = 98068 or 98kJ
We must be getting close ! I want to go to bed soon
 
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Thank you both for your help! Much appreciated!
 
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