Speed of a Bullet: Hunter's Rifle & Duck Flight

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a bullet as it leaves a hunter's rifle and determining its maximum height if it misses a duck flying above. Participants debate whether to use kinematic equations or the Work-Energy theorem, ultimately agreeing that the problem is best approached using the Work-Energy method. It is clarified that once the bullet exits the gun, gravity is the only force acting on it, and the acceleration due to gravity should be considered as -9.81 m/s². The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding forces and energy transformations in solving the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


A hunter’s rifle is pointed upwards in a vertical position aiming at a duck flying 50 m above the gun. The bullet has a weight of 5 N and it is shot moving upward with a speed of 40 m/s when it hits the duck. (a) What is the speed of the bullet as it leaves the rifle? (b) What would be the maximum height the bullet would reach if it had missed the duck?

Homework Equations


Not sure if I have to use Work equations or kinematics equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


I pointed out knowns and unknowns so far, but I am unsure if I should use a kinematics equation (for the y-direction) - the bullet feels a force of gravity, and gravity is constant, so I can use a kinematics equation. But, the bullet is accelerating upwards, and acceleration is not constant. We are discussing Work right now so it wouldn't make sense if this whole problem was about kinematics... should I draw a FBD of the bullet and figure out the forces acting upon it? Is it a Work-Kinetic Energy problem?
Edit: I know for sure now it is not a kinematics problem. It has to be a Work-Kinetic Energy problem. The thing is, I am attempting to calculate total work done on the bullet, and there is a force on the bullet from the gun going upwards, but it is not given to us. I found the work done by gravity and it is -250 J.
 
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reminiscent said:

Homework Statement


A hunter’s rifle is pointed upwards in a vertical position aiming at a duck flying 50 m above the gun. The bullet has a weight of 5 N and it is shot moving upward with a speed of 40 m/s when it hits the duck. (a) What is the speed of the bullet as it leaves the rifle? (b) What would be the maximum height the bullet would reach if it had missed the duck?

Homework Equations


Not sure if I have to use Work equations or kinematics equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


I pointed out knowns and unknowns so far, but I am unsure if I should use a kinematics equation (for the y-direction) - the bullet feels a force of gravity, and gravity is constant, so I can use a kinematics equation. But, the bullet is accelerating upwards, and acceleration is not constant. We are discussing Work right now so it wouldn't make sense if this whole problem was about kinematics... should I draw a FBD of the bullet and figure out the forces acting upon it? Is it a Work-Kinetic Energy problem?
Edit: I know for sure now it is not a kinematics problem. It has to be a Work-Kinetic Energy problem. The thing is, I am attempting to calculate total work done on the bullet, and there is a force on the bullet from the gun going upwards, but it is not given to us. I found the work done by gravity and it is -250 J.
The bullet accelerates upwards while in the gun, and reaches some speed when leaves the gun. When flying in the air, its velocity decreases to 40 m/s at high of 50 m.
What is the acceleration of the gun when it flies ?
You can solve the problem using either kinematic equations or Work-Energy theorem.
 
ehild said:
The bullet accelerates upwards while in the gun, and reaches some speed when leaves the gun. When flying in the air, its velocity decreases to 40 m/s at high of 50 m.
What is the acceleration of the gun when it flies ?
You can solve the problem using either kinematic equations or Work-Energy theorem.
I want to use the Work-Energy theorem but I don't know how to get total work completely - isn't there a force going upwards which relates to the gun acting on the bullet? How would I be able to calculate that?
 
reminiscent said:
I want to use the Work-Energy theorem but I don't know how to get total work completely - isn't there a force going upwards which relates to the gun acting on the bullet? How would I be able to calculate that?
After the bullet leaves the gun, there is no force the gun can exert on it.
 
ehild said:
After the bullet leaves the gun, there is no force the gun can exert on it.
So gravity is the only force exerting on the bullet, correct?
 
reminiscent said:
So gravity is the only force exerting on the bullet, correct?
Yes. You do not need to bother with the stage when the bullet is inside the gun.
 
ehild said:
Yes. You do not need to bother with the stage when the bullet is inside the gun.
So for part b), I should be able to use a kinematics equation, but acceleration would be 9.81 m/s^2, correct?
 
reminiscent said:
So for part b), I should be able to use a kinematics equation, but acceleration would be 9.81 m/s^2, correct?
The gun moves upward, but the acceleration is downward. You need to take this into account in the sign of the acceleration.
 
ehild said:
The gun moves upward, but the acceleration is downward. You need to take this into account in the sign of the acceleration.
Sorry, I meant -9.81 m/s^2. Thank you!
 
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