Spherical Electric Field - displacing a nucleuo

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The discussion centers around understanding the displacement of a nucleus within an atom when subjected to an external electric field, specifically how to calculate the electric field of the electron cloud. The user is confused about the implications of choosing points outside the electron cloud radius and how it relates to ionization, as well as the calculation of enclosed charge (Q_enc) within the context of the electric field. It is clarified that if the nucleus is displaced beyond the electron cloud's radius, it indicates ionization, which disrupts the atom's polarization. Additionally, the charge enclosed only accounts for the electron cloud, as the nucleus's charge must be treated separately to accurately determine the total electric field. The discussion emphasizes the need for a clear distinction between the contributions of the electron cloud and the nucleus in calculating the electric field.
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Spherical Electric Field - displacing a nucleus

I'm stuck on this question.

Q) A simple classical model of an atom consists of a nucleus a postive charge N\,e surrounded by a spherical electron cloud of hte same total negative charge. (N is the atomic number and e is the magnitude of the electric charge) An external electric field E_0 will cause the nucleus to be displaced a distance r_0 from the center of the electron cloud, thus polarizing the atom. Assuming a uniform charge distribution within the electron cloud of radius b, find [/itex] r_0 [/itex].

A) Well I have the solution... but I don't understand it.

This is what the book does.

First find the electric field of the electron cloud.
\epsilon_0 = \oint_S \vec E_{el} \cdot d\vec s = 4 \pi R^2 \epsilon_0 E_R(R) = Q_{enc}

Thus,
\vec E_{el} = \hat R \frac{Q_{enc}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 R^2}

So this vector function gives the electric field of the electron cloud as a function of distance from the orgin, correct?

Now the book moves onto saying that there are two distinct regions to consider:
(1) 0 \leq R \leq b
(2) r \geq b

It says,
However since r_0 > b implies ionization of the atom, we will only determine E_{el} for R < b.

I don't understand this. If we chose a point P > b how does this imply ionization of the atom.
Wouldn't chosing a point just mean,
\vec E_{el} = \hat R \frac{Q_{enc}}{4 \pi \epsilon^2 (R_P)^2}
where R_P is the distance from the orgin to P.

doesn't this say, what is the electric field at this point. How does this have anything to do with removing the proton?

Would someone explain this?


Also,
The book calculates Q_{enc} as follows:

The charge density of the electron cloud is given by:
\rho = \frac{-N\,e}{4/3 \, \pi b^3}
For 0 \leq R \leq b we have:

Q_{enc} = \rho \frac{4}{3} \pi R^3 = -N\,e \frac{R^3}{b^3}

Why doesn't the Q_{enc} enclose the nucleus?

I really just need some hand holding on this, because I'm lost and I have spent way to much time trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance!
 
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FrogPad said:
Now the book moves onto saying that there are two distinct regions to consider:
(1) 0 \leq R \leq b
(2) r \geq b

It says,
However since r_0 > b implies ionization of the atom, we will only determine E_{el} for R < b.

I don't understand this. If we chose a point P > b how does this imply ionization of the atom.
Wouldn't chosing a point just mean,
\vec E_{el} = \hat R \frac{Q_{enc}}{4 \pi \epsilon^2 (R_P)^2}
where R_P is the distance from the orgin to P.

doesn't this say, what is the electric field at this point. How does this have anything to do with removing the proton?

The condition r_0>b means that the separation of the nucleus and the electron cloud is greater than the radius of the electron cloud, which means the nucleus is outside of the electron cloud. This is not considered as they'd repel, and you wouldn't have a polarized atom.

For the second thing you asked about, remember that Q_enc is only the charge of the electron cloud. It would be zero otherwise! You need to treat the field from the electrons and the nucleus separately because of the difference between the centre of the cloud and the nucleus. You have to add the fields from the electrons and the nucleus for the total field, remembering you'd have Q_nuc/(4pi e0 (R+r0)^2) for the nucleus.
 
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