Spring mass system attached to a disc

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The problem involves a spring mass system attached to a disc, where participants are attempting to derive the equation of motion. The context includes considerations of forces acting on the system and the geometry of the setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law for rotation and question the validity of the terms used in the equations. There is exploration of the relationship between the angle of rotation and the displacement of the spring, as well as the calculation of the polar moment of inertia for the disc and concentrated mass.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the forces involved and the geometry of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of moments and the need for a diagram to clarify the forces at play. There is no explicit consensus on the final form of the equation, but various interpretations and adjustments are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the conditions under which the derived equations apply, particularly regarding small oscillations versus larger angles. Participants are also addressing the need for clarity on the geometry of the spring's displacement in relation to the disc's rotation.

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Hello to all, first sorry about any mistakes because English is not my native language. I'm trying to solve this problem and I can't seem to find the equation of motion

Homework Statement


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The disc and the point A both have mass m;
θ(0) = 0

2. The attempt at a solution
I tried to use the Newton's second law for rotation but I can't find the values of the point A and K in therms of θ.
I don't know if what I did here was correct, but I tried this:

ΣMo = Jα
Jα = m⋅g⋅r - k⋅x⋅r; x = r⋅sinθ
 
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rafaamcarvalho said:
Jα = m⋅g⋅r - k⋅x⋅r
Is this for small oscillations only, or can θ be anything? If anything, the mgr term is wrong.
rafaamcarvalho said:
x = r⋅sinθ
It looks to me that the strong wraps around the disc, so it is not sine θ. If the disc has rotated θ, what length of string is wrapped onto it?
 
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haruspex said:
Is this for small oscillations only, or can θ be anything? If anything, the mgr term is wrong.

I believe so. But if its not m⋅g⋅r, what could it be?

You are right, the spring wraps around the disc, so is the displacement x = r⋅θ?

And how to calcule the polar moment of inertia J of a disc with mass m with a concentrated mass m in point A?
 
rafaamcarvalho said:
its not m⋅g⋅r, what could it be?
Draw the diagram showing the line of action of mg. For the moment of a force about an axis, you multiply it by the perpendicular distance from its line of action to the axis.
rafaamcarvalho said:
polar moment of inertia J of a disc with mass m with a concentrated mass m in point A
Find the moment of inertia of each mass around the axis and add them.
 
haruspex said:
Find the moment of inertia of each mass around the axis and add them.

Oh got it, did not check if it was perpendicular, so the therm should be m⋅g⋅cosθ⋅r?

And then my final formula would be,

(m⋅r² + ½⋅m⋅r²)α + (k⋅r²)⋅θ - (m⋅g⋅cosθ⋅r) = 0 ?
 
rafaamcarvalho said:
Oh got it, did not check if it was perpendicular, so the therm should be m⋅g⋅cosθ⋅r?

And then my final formula would be,

(m⋅r² + ½⋅m⋅r²)α + (k⋅r²)⋅θ - (m⋅g⋅cosθ⋅r) = 0 ?
Looks right.
 
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