States of Stress at P: Principal Stress Values & Normals

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The discussion revolves around determining the principal stress values and the unit normal vector for a given stress tensor at point P. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in stress analysis, including the calculation of normal and shear stress components, and the implications of these calculations on the stress vector.

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  • One participant presents the stress tensor and calculates the principal stress values, providing a characteristic polynomial and its roots.
  • Another participant explains how to derive the stress vector from the stress tensor using a unit normal vector and emphasizes the importance of the unit normal's properties.
  • Further contributions suggest setting up equations based on the normal and shear stress components to solve for the components of the unit normal vector.
  • Participants discuss the conditions necessary for the unit normal vector, including the sum of its components equaling one and the relationship between normal and shear stresses.
  • One participant provides a detailed calculation of the stress vector and its components, leading to a proposed solution for the unit normal vector.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of their solution compared to a book's solution, suggesting a possible error in the book.
  • There is a repeated assertion that the book's solution is incorrect based on the calculations presented by participants.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the book's solution for the unit normal vector. While some participants believe their calculations are accurate, others suggest the book may contain errors, leading to an unresolved debate about the validity of the different solutions presented.

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The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions that may not be fully resolved, such as the dependence on the definitions of stress components and the conditions for the unit normal vector. Specific calculations and their implications are also subject to verification.

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The state of stress at ##\mathbf{P}##, when referred to axes ##P_{x_1x_2x_3}## is given in ksi unites by the matrix
$$
[t_{ij}] = \begin{bmatrix}
9 & 3 & 0\\
3 & 9 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 18
\end{bmatrix}.
$$
Determine
(1)the principal stress values at ##\mathbf{P}## and

The trace of ##t_{ij}## is 36, ##t_{ij}^2## is
$$
\begin{bmatrix}
90 & 54 & 0\\
54 & 90 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 324
\end{bmatrix},
$$
and the determinant is 1296.
So the characteristic polynomial is ##p(\sigma) = \sigma^3 - 36\sigma^2 + 396\sigma - 1296 = (\sigma - 6)(\sigma - 12)(\sigma - 18)##.
So the principal stress values are ##\sigma_{\text{\MakeUppercase{\romannumeral 1}}} = 6##, ##\sigma_{\text{\MakeUppercase{\romannumeral 3}}} = 12##, and ##\sigma_{\text{\MakeUppercase{\romannumeral 3}}} = 18##.

(2)the unit normal ##\hat{\mathbf{n}}^* = n_i\hat{\mathbf{e}}^*_i## of the plane on which ##\sigma_{\text{N}} = 12## ksi and ##\sigma_{\text{S}} = 3## ksi.

How do I find ##\sigma_{\text{N}}##?
 
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The stress vector on a plane is obtained by dotting the stress tensor with a unit vector normal to the plane. Don't forget that the unit normal is a unit vector, so the sum of the squares of its three components equals 1. To get the normal component of the stress vector on the plane, dot the stress vector with the unit normal again. The tangential component of the stress vector is equal to the stress vector minus the normal component times the unit normal. This should give you enough equations to solve for the components of the unit normal, given the stress tensor and the normal- and tangential components of the stress vector.
 
Chestermiller said:
The stress vector on a plane is obtained by dotting the stress tensor with a unit vector normal to the plane. Don't forget that the unit normal is a unit vector, so the sum of the squares of its three components equals 1. To get the normal component of the stress vector on the plane, dot the stress vector with the unit normal again. The tangential component of the stress vector is equal to the stress vector minus the normal component times the unit normal. This should give you enough equations to solve for the components of the unit normal, given the stress tensor and the normal- and tangential components of the stress vector.

So take ##t_{ij}\cdot n## where ##n = \langle a,b,c\rangle## and then take ##t_{ij}\cdot n\cdot n## and set it equal to 12?
That gives ##a(9a+3b)+b(3a+9b)+18c^2 = 12##. How do I find a,b,c or do I not need them?
 
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You need another equation, namely the shear stress on the plane being equal to 3 ksi. I told you how to handle this. You then have a second equation involving a, b, and c. The third equation is the sum of the squares of a, b, and c is equal to 1.
 
Chestermiller said:
You need another equation, namely the shear stress on the plane being equal to 3 ksi. I told you how to handle this. You then have a second equation involving a, b, and c. The third equation is the sum of the squares of a, b, and c is equal to 1.

What is my stress vector?
##\sigma_{\text{S}}^{\max}## can be two combination since
$$
\frac{1}{2}\lvert\sigma_i - \sigma_j\rvert = 3
$$
for ##i\neq j## and ##i,j = 1,2## or ##i,j = 2,3## by using the maximum shear stress equation.
 
Dustinsfl said:
What is my stress vector?

You've already calculated your stress vector: (9a+3b), (9b+3a), 18c
The normal stress times the unit normal is: 12a + 12b + 12c
The tangential (shear) component of the stress vector is the total stress vector minus the normal stress times the unit normal:

(-3a+3b), (-3b+3a), 6c = 3(b-a), 3(a-b), 6c

The magnitude of this shear stress vector must be equal to 3ksi:

9(a-b)^2+9(a-b)^2+36c^2=9

or 2(a-b)^2+4c^2=1

If you make use of the condition that a^2+b^2+c^2 = 1

the above equation reduces to 4ab-2c^2=1

From your normal stress equation, you got:
9a^2+9b^2+18c^2+6ab=12
Again making use of the condition that a^2+b^2+c^2 = 1
you get:
6ab+9c^2=3
or 2ab+3c^2=1
Now we have enough to solve for c2:

c^2=\frac{1}{8}
From this we get:
c=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{4}
and
2ab=\frac{5}{8}
and a^2+b^2=\frac{7}{8}
So,
(a+b)^2=\frac{3}{2}
(b-a)^2=\frac{1}{4}
So
(b+a)=\frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}
(b-a)=\frac{1}{2}
So
b=\frac{\sqrt{6}+1}{4}
a=\frac{\sqrt{6}-1}{4}

I think I did the "arithmetic" correctly. If not, I'm sure you will find any mistake I might have made. But, in any event, the methodology is correct.

Chet
 
Thanks that was helpful but the book has the solution as
$$
\frac{1}{2\sqrt{2}}\langle 1, \sqrt{6}, 1\rangle.
$$
 
I don't know what to say. I checked the solution for the components of the unit normal vector, and they seemed to check. In the book solution, the only component that matches mine is c. Any chance there is a typo in the book solution? Try my solution, and see what it gives for the normal stress vector and the tangential stress vector. See for yourself if, from my solution, the magnitudes of these vectors are 12 and 3.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
I don't know what to say. I checked the solution for the components of the unit normal vector, and they seemed to check. In the book solution, the only component that matches mine is c. Any chance there is a typo in the book solution? Try my solution, and see what it gives for the normal stress vector and the tangential stress vector. See for yourself if, from my solution, the magnitudes of these vectors are 12 and 3.

Chet
I checked my solution, and it is correct. The results in the book must be wrong.
 
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I am not surprised the book is wrong. It seems to be consistently wrong.

Thanks.
 

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