Stationary Points and finding variables?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Dramacon
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Points Variables
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the coefficients a, b, and c of a quadratic function given specific conditions about stationary points and slopes. The curve is defined by the equation y=ax^2 + bx+c, with a stationary point at (1,2) and a slope of 45 degrees when x=0.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the stationary point and the slope condition, leading to the formulation of equations based on these conditions. There is mention of using derivatives to relate the slope to the angle given.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into deriving equations from the problem's conditions, while others have shared their thought processes and reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the equations needed to solve for the variables, but no explicit consensus on the final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of deriving an equation that incorporates the slope of 45 degrees and the need for three equations to solve for three unknowns. The discussion reflects on the relationships between the function's value, its derivative, and the geometric interpretation of slope.

Dramacon
Messages
14
Reaction score
0
Stationary Points and finding variables? :)

Homework Statement


The curve with the equation y=ax^2 + bx+c has a stationary point at (1,2). When x=0, the slope of the curve is 45 degrees. Find a, b, c.


Homework Equations


I'm not sure how to create an equation that involves the 45 degrees


The Attempt at a Solution


There are three equations to solve for the three variables, but so far I only have 2 equations:

2= a+b+c
and
2a+b=2

DW, SOLVED IT! :)
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org


Well done!

Sometimes explaining the problem to someone else will lead to a solution :)
Want to share how you did it?
 


the derivative of a function is its gradient, which is also defined as rise/run. In trig, rise/run = tanθ!

therefore tan45°=1

And then just use one of the aforementioned methods of substitution into y'.

:)
 


Yes. The fact that the function has a stationary point at (1, 2) tells you two things:
First that the value of the function at x= 1 is 2: a(1)^2+ b(1)+ c= a+ b+ c= 2.
Second that the derivative there is 0: 2a(1)+ b= 2a+ b= 0.

The fact that the tangent line, at x= 0, is at 45 degrees to the x-axis tells you that the slope of the tangent line there is tan(45)= 1: 2a(0)+ b= 1.

Your three equations are b= 1, 2a+ b= 0 so 2a+ 1= 0, and a+ b+ c= 2 so a+ c+ 1= 2.
 


Outstanding Dramacon: I figured I'd give you the glory of explaining it :) There is a chance someone else will google to your problem when they are looking for a solution to theirs. Now you've just helped them.

HallsofIvy, is a veteran, and has included the complete solution.

I prefer the "rise over run" version since it uses what "slope" means in relation to the gradient ... though the trig is a useful addition so this is totally not a criticism. The tangent of an angle is also rise over run - of course.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
1K