Strategies for Solving Fractional Integrals with Polynomial Expressions

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The discussion revolves around solving fractional integrals involving polynomial expressions, specifically the integrals of the forms \(\int \frac{x+8}{x-8}dx\) and \(\int \frac{x^3+8}{x^3-8}dx\). Participants are exploring methods for integration and factoring polynomials.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the integrals into simpler components, such as factoring the denominators and using partial fractions. There are questions about the methods attempted and suggestions to show work for better guidance.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered insights into factoring the polynomials involved and breaking down the integrals. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, including the use of partial fractions and the handling of irrational expressions. No explicit consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

One participant noted a mistake in the original integral submission, which may have influenced the complexity of the problem. There is also mention of specific techniques required for certain forms of the integrals.

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Can you help me solve this one :

[tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{x+8}{x-8}[/tex]dx
 
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Penultimate said:
Can you help me solve this one :

[tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{x+8}{x-8}[/tex]dx
What have you tried thus far?
 
Do you know how to do [itex]\int{\log{x} \, dx}[/itex]?
 
(x+8)/(x-8) = (x + 8 - 16 + 16)/(x-8) = (x-8 + 16)/(x-8) = 1 + 16/(x-8).

That's not too hard to integrate, right?
 
Sorry guys i have submited the integral without puting the exponent for each X(thats why this one is too simple).

The one i am trying to solve is :

[tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{x^3+8}{x^3-8}[/tex]dx
 
I have tryed irracional mode (thats the one it requires but i am stuck at the end).
 
Penultimate said:
I have tryed irracional mode (thats the one it requires but i am stuck at the end).
Why don't you show us what you've done and where your stuck then we can help you?
 
Hi Penultimate!

Alright, let's help you out here. Firstly, can you break up the denominator into a linear factor multiplied by a quadratic expression?
 
Well (x^3 + 8)/(x^3 - 8) = (x^3 - 8 + 16)/(x^3 - 8) = 1 + 16/(x^3 - 8).

x^3-8 can easily be factored, and so use partial fractions on that integral.
 
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Actually, [itex]x^3+ 8[/itex] can be factored as easily as [itex]x^3- 8[/itex]. In fact, [itexs]x^n+ a^n[/itex] can be factored easily for all odd n.
 
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[tex]x^3+8=x^3+2^3=(x+2)(x^2-2x+4)[/tex]

[tex]x^3-8=x^3-2^3=(x-2)(x^2+2x+4)=(x-2)(x+2)^2[/tex]

Another way is:
[tex]\frac{x^3+8}{x^3-8}=\frac{x^3-8+16}{x^3-8}=1+\frac{16}{x^3-8}[/tex]

Regards.
 

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