Tap water flow and water diameter at end of it (Bernoulli eqzn )

[~christina~]

Homework Statement

At a faucet, the diameter of the stream is 0.960cm. The stream fills a $$125cm^3$$ container in 16.3s.
Find the diameter of the stream 13.0cm below the opening of the faucet.

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Homework Equations

Bernoulli's eqzn: $$P+ 1/2\rho v_1^2 +\rho gy = constant$$
or...$$P_1-P_2 = \rhog(y_2-y_1)= \rho gh$$

continuity eqzn: $$Av_1= Av_2$$

The Attempt at a Solution

um...I'm not sure how to go about doing this Q...

I did do:

Flow rate= $$Av_1= 125cm^3 / 16.3s = 7.67cm^3/s$$

after that I'm not sure about how to find the diameter.
I think I need the Area since Av= 7.67cm^3/s that I found and I guess I would go and find v for the first v1 at least.

I am confused as to:

1. is P1 the same as P2 (bottom of stream) ? If it is then would it cancel out?

2. would the v be the same? I think not...but if it isn't then how would I find v1 for when the water comes out of the faucet?

If someone could help me out I'd appreciate it a lot.

Thanks

 

[~christina~]

well I worked on it for awhile...since yesterday and now I think.

Flow rate= Av1= 125cm^3/ 16.3s = 7.67cm^3/s

$$A_1=\pi r^2 =\pi d^2/4= \pie (0.960cm^2)/4= 0.007238cm^2$$

since A1V1= 0.007238cm^2
then V1= (7.67cm^3/s)/ (0.007238cm^2) = 0.10597m/s

I'm not sure how to find V2 though. (the v of the water at the bottom of the stream of water) It's open to the air so I would think gravity but I'm not sure..

Info I know:

v1= 0.10597m/s (from A1V1 and area)
A1= 7.67cm^3/s
y2-y1= 13cm => 0.13m

$$P_1 + 1/2 \rho v_1^2 + \rho gy = P_2 + 1/2 \rho v_2^2 + \rho gy$$
P1 and P2 cancel out I think so then I have:

$$1/2 \rho v_1^2 + \rho gy = 1/2 \rho v_2^2 + \rho gy$$


don't know:
v2= ?
A2=? => question asks for this


I wanted to get v2 through the A1V1= A2V2
but if I don't have V2 how can I find A2? UNLESS I have to find it using the Bernoulli's equation...I'm confused here

Can anyone help me out Please??
THANKS

 

[Doc Al]

I wanted to get v2 through the A1V1= A2V2
but if I don't have V2 how can I find A2? UNLESS I have to find it using the Bernoulli's equation...I'm confused here

You've got it. First find V2 using Bernoulli (which just tells you the increase in speed due to gravity), then you can use the continuity equation to find A2.

 

[~christina~]

You've got it. First find V2 using Bernoulli (which just tells you the increase in speed due to gravity), then you can use the continuity equation to find A2.

Hm...I went and used this equation ($$V= Av\Delta t$$) (the thing is that I'm not sure it's the continuity equation...it includes time and the Volume.

If I used the continuity eqzn (A1v1= A2v2)
with what I found from the Bernoulli's eqzn which is:

$$v_2= \sqrt{2g(y2-y1)}$$
$$v_2= \sqrt{2(-9.8)(0.13m)}$$
$$v_2= 1.596m/s$$

now...I'm debating wheter to use $$V= Av_2 \Delta t$$ or $$A_1v_1= A_2v_2$$

I used the other equation when working on the question and got:

$$V=Av_2 \Delta t$$
t= 16.3s
V= 125 cm^3 => 1.25m^3
A=?
v2= 1.596m/s

$$1.25m^3= \pie r^2(1.596m/s)(16.3s)$$
r= 0.12367

d= 0.2473m

I'm not sure how I'd do the question with A1v1=A2v2
since I do have
v2
A1
but do I know v1?

Thanks a lot

 

[Doc Al]

Hm...I went and used this equation ($$V= Av\Delta t$$) (the thing is that I'm not sure it's the continuity equation...it includes time and the Volume.

In the continuity equation, what does A1v1 represent? (Hint: They give you the flow rate for a reason!)

If I used the continuity eqzn (A1v1= A2v2)
with what I found from the Bernoulli's eqzn which is:

$$v_2= \sqrt{2g(y2-y1)}$$
$$v_2= \sqrt{2(-9.8)(0.13m)}$$
$$v_2= 1.596m/s$$

Looks like you assumed v1 = 0 when using Bernoulli. That can't be right. You need to figure out the initial speed from the given data.

now...I'm debating wheter to use $$V= Av_2 \Delta t$$ or $$A_1v_1= A_2v_2$$

I used the other equation when working on the question and got:

$$V=Av_2 \Delta t$$
t= 16.3s
V= 125 cm^3 => 1.25m^3
A=?
v2= 1.596m/s

$$1.25m^3= \pie r^2(1.596m/s)(16.3s)$$
r= 0.12367

d= 0.2473m

I'm not sure how I'd do the question with A1v1=A2v2
since I do have
v2
A1
but do I know v1?

The analysis you did here is exactly what you have to do to find the initial speed. You are given the fow rate (Volume and time). Since you know the diameter (thus the area) at the top, you can use it to find the speed at the top (v1).

You're almost there.