Temperature and entropy for two gases mixing

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final temperature and total change in entropy when mixing 10kg of neon gas at 20°C with 10kg of nitrogen gas at 100°C. The user presents their solution using ideal gas laws and assumptions about pressure, but questions the accuracy compared to their lecturer's method, which incorporates internal energy considerations. The key point highlighted is that the user's assumption about equal partial pressures after mixing is incorrect, as the problem requires recognizing that there is no change in internal energy. The lecturer's approach, which factors in the specific heat capacities of the gases, leads to a more accurate final temperature calculation. Understanding these thermodynamic principles is crucial for solving such problems correctly.
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Homework Statement


A system is made up of two halves. In one there's 10kg neon gas with the temperature ##20 \circ##C, in the other 10kg nitrogen gas with the temperature ##100 \circ## C. Suppose the septum is removed so that thermodynamic equilibrium may appear and the gases mix.

Calculate the final temperature ##T_f## and the total change in entropy.

Homework Equations


##pV=nRT##
Internal energy (ideal gas)
##U = nC_VT##

The Attempt at a Solution


I got two solutions (for the first question), one done by me and one by our lecturer (who I unfortunaly can't ask) and what I'm wondering why mine is wrong (if it is).
My solution:
##n_1 = \frac{10\cdot 10^3}{20.17} = 495.8 mol##
##n_2 = \frac{10 \cdot 10^3}{2*14} = 357 mol##
Assuming the gas is ideal we get
##p_1=n_1RT_1/V_1## and ##p_2 = n_2RT_2/V_1##
Now assuming the gases where alone one at a time in the container double the volume we would get
##p_{f1} = n_1RT_f/(2V_1)## and ##p_(f2) = n_2RT_f/(2V_1)##
Assuming the mixing is done first by an isothermal and then and isokor process (our teacher made the exact same assumption as well)
##p_f = p_{f1} +p_{f2} = \frac{n_1RT_1}{2V_1} + \frac{n_2RT_2}{2V_2} = \frac{R}{2V_2}(n_1T_1+n_2T_2)##
I now make the assumption that pressure from both gases is equal to the pressure from each of the gases added together (I don't know if this is correct but I think there is some thermodynamic principle that allow me to use the superposition principle here).
##p_f\cdot 2V_1 = (n_1+n_2)RT_f##
Inserting ##p_f## into the equation gives us
##T_f = \frac{n_1T_1+n_2T_2}{n_1+n_2}##

While the one done by teacher uses internal energy and instead end up at the answer of
##T_f = \frac{3/2n_1T_1+5/2n_2T_2}{3/2n_1+5/2n_2}##I could add the solution from our teacher too if it's needed (it's rather lengthy) but I'm mostly wondering if anyone could see what I do wrong. Both solutions give numeric values well within the solution at the back of the book but I would assume I'm wrong, I just don't know why.
 
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Your assumption that, after mixing, the partial pressures of the two gases is the same is incorrect.

The key to this problem is recognizing that there is no change in internal energy. That's what your teacher did. You can see that from the 5/2 and 3/2 factors.

Chet
 
Thanks again Chet, always helping me out!
 
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