Temperature increase in a fixed volume when adding mass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of adding mass to a fixed insulated volume on the temperature and pressure of a gas. Participants explore the implications of increasing pressure by introducing more gas into the system while considering the constraints of thermodynamic principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the expected temperature increase when adding gas to a fixed volume, noting that adiabatic compression may not apply due to the addition of mass.
  • Another participant questions whether the final number of moles is known if a specific amount of gas is added, suggesting that this could simplify the calculations.
  • A clarification is made regarding the increase in pressure, indicating that it is not the number of moles that is increased but rather the pressure itself, which complicates the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature.
  • A participant references the open system version of the first law of thermodynamics, implying that it may be relevant to the discussion of energy changes in the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the problem, with ongoing uncertainty regarding the relationship between pressure, temperature, and the number of moles in the system.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding how pressure changes relate to temperature and the number of moles, as well as the applicability of thermodynamic laws in this scenario.

david316
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Hello,

I'm interested to know if that in a fixed insulated volume (e.g. 500ml), at some temperature (e.g. 293K) and pressure (e.g. 1 atmosphere), and you increase the pressure by a specific amount by pumping more gas (e.g. air at 293K) into the volume can you work out the expected increase in temperature. As far as I can tell, you can't use adiabatic compression as you are adding mass to the system. The ideal gas equation won't work because the final number of moles and temperature are unknown. Is there are way to solve this?

Thanks a lot
 
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If you add "a specific amount" of additional gas, then isn't the final number of moles known?
 
Sorry, its not worded very well. I increased the the pressure by a specific amount (e.g. 20 cmH2O) not the number of moles. I don't know how a increase in pressure translates to a number of moles as the temperature can change as well.
 
david316 said:
Sorry, its not worded very well. I increased the the pressure by a specific amount (e.g. 20 cmH2O) not the number of moles. I don't know how a increase in pressure translates to a number of moles as the temperature can change as well.
Are you familiar with the open system version of the first law of thermodynamics?

Chet
 
I am now. Thanks.
 
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