Tension and Angle Analysis for Traction in a Broken Leg

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving tension and angles in a traction setup for a patient with a broken leg. The scenario includes a boot with a pulley, a hanging mass, and the need to analyze forces acting on the system using Newton's laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of tension in the rope and the proper angle for the upper rope. There are attempts to derive the angle using trigonometric relationships and questions about the correctness of their calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and expressed uncertainty about their methods, particularly regarding the angle and net traction force. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in reasoning and clarity in algebraic steps, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between their calculations and textbook answers, indicating a need for clarification on assumptions and definitions used in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


An accident victim with a broken leg is being placed in traction. The patient wears a special boot with a pulley attached to the sole. The foot and boot together have a mass of m = 4.0 kg, and the doctor has decided to hang a 6.0 kg mass from the rope. The boot is held suspended by the ropes, as shown in the image, and does not touch the bed.

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a) Determine the amount of tension in the rope by using Newton's laws to analyze the hanging mass.
b) The net traction force needs to pull straight out on the leg. What is the proper angle θ for the upper rope?
c) What is the net traction force pulling on the leg?

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I have seen other people post this problem with different circumstances/variables, however, when I plug in my variables and try to make it work for my given problem I am finding myself stuck.

Homework Equations


w=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


a)[/B] Find the tension on the rope:
w = mg
= (6.0 kg)(9.8 [gravity])
w = 58.8 N (rounded to 59N) tension on the rope

b) Find the proper angle for the upper rope:
First I try to find the amount of force on the boot. using the same equation
w = mg
= (4.0kg)(9.8)
= 39.2 N of force acting on the boot
Then I take the sine to find the correct angle, right? So,
58.8 sin(θ) = 39.2 + 58.8 sin(15°)
θ = 54.42°
But I know that is incorrect. My book says that it's actually 67.8°. How? What am I doing wrong?

c) I can't even get to this point without answering (b).
 
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b) Find the proper angle for the upper rope:
First I try to find the amount of force on the boot. using the same equation
w = mg
= (4.0kg)(9.8)
= 39.2 N of force acting on the boot
Then I take the sine to find the correct angle, right? So,
58.8 sin(θ) = 39.2 + 58.8 sin(15°)
θ = 54.42°
----additional calculations----
58.8sin(θ) = 54.42°
sin(θ) = 54.42 / 58.8
sin(θ) = 0.9255
sin-1(0.9255) = 67.74°

That is close to 67.8°...but I am not sure if I did it correctly or not.

From there:
c) Tcos(15°)+Tcos(67.7°) = 1.345382
= (1.345382)(58.8°)
= 79.12N (rounded to 79N) net traction force pulling on the leg

I am shooting in the dark here and am not sure if I am even doing it correctly. Thanks in advance
 
defaultusername said:
θ = 54.42°
I think you mean 58.8 sin(θ)=54.42.
You answer in part c looks ok, but you are a bit careless in writing out your steps. The net force is 1.345382T, not just 1.345382, and the 58.8 is Newtons, not degrees.
 
defaultusername said:
b) Find the proper angle for the upper rope:
First I try to find the amount of force on the boot. using the same equation
w = mg
= (4.0kg)(9.8)
= 39.2 N of force acting on the boot
Then I take the sine to find the correct angle, right? So,
58.8 sin(θ) = 39.2 + 58.8 sin(15°)
θ = 54.42°
----additional calculations----
58.8sin(θ) = 54.42°
sin(θ) = 54.42 / 58.8
sin(θ) = 0.9255
sin-1(0.9255) = 67.74°

That is close to 67.8°...but I am not sure if I did it correctly or not.

From there:
c) Tcos(15°)+Tcos(67.7°) = 1.345382
= (1.345382)(58.8°)
= 79.12N (rounded to 79N) net traction force pulling on the leg

I am shooting in the dark here and am not sure if I am even doing it correctly. Thanks in advance

You did indeed do it right, and you helped me much. Although it was difficult to decypher exactly what you were doing. Your algebra wasnt clear. Thank you a lot. You helped me much.
 

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