Textbook Mistake: Ionization Energy of He+

p.tryon
Messages
51
Reaction score
0
This is a question from a chem textbook but it seems relevant to electrodynamics/quantum mechanics. The energy to ionize a hydrogen atom in its ground state is given by:

En = -Rhc / n2

Ei = Rhc (because the electron is being taken to infinity) = 1312kJ/mol

The book claims that to ionize a He+ ion (which has 2 protons in its nucleus) would require 4 times the amount of energy. However the potential energy of two charges separated by distance r is given by

P.E. = kq1q2/r

Since the charge of an electron is the same in both cases (the H atom and the He ion) and the nuclear charge is doubled in the case of the He+ ion- shouldn't the P.E. at infinity (therefore ionization energy) also double? (not quadruple as the book claims!)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The book is correct. To a rough approximation, the energy depends on the square of the number of protons.
 
Thanks for your reply. Why does it depend on the square of the number of protons? Doesn't that contradict the equation below?

P.E. = kq1q2/r
 
Hi p.tryon,

You may find it useful to think about how the effective value of r in your equation depends on the number of protons.
 
p.tryon said:
Thanks for your reply. Why does it depend on the square of the number of protons? Doesn't that contradict the equation below?

P.E. = kq1q2/r
No, there's no contradiction. In the Bohr model of the atom, realize that r is inversely proportional to Z (the number of protons) so the total energy ends up being proportional to Z². (You might want to review how energy levels are derived in the Bohr model, which is admittedly only an approximation for multi-electron atoms. But it's OK for this purpose with helium, since there are only two electrons.)
 
Hello! Wow I see thank you! That makes sense
 
Insights auto threads is broken atm, so I'm manually creating these for new Insight articles. Towards the end of the first lecture for the Qiskit Global Summer School 2025, Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, Olivia Lanes (Global Lead, Content and Education IBM) stated... Source: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/quantum-entanglement-is-a-kinematic-fact-not-a-dynamical-effect/ by @RUTA
If we release an electron around a positively charged sphere, the initial state of electron is a linear combination of Hydrogen-like states. According to quantum mechanics, evolution of time would not change this initial state because the potential is time independent. However, classically we expect the electron to collide with the sphere. So, it seems that the quantum and classics predict different behaviours!
Back
Top