The Classic Pole in Barn Relativity Question

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The discussion centers on the classic pole in barn relativity problem, where a pole-vaulter holds a 5.0 m pole while running towards a barn with doors 3.0 m apart. According to the calculations, the front end of the pole leaves the barn before the back end enters, as confirmed by the time interval equation t' = γ(t - ux/c²). The intuitive explanation involves the concept of length contraction, where the barn appears shorter (9/5 m) from the pole-vaulter's perspective, thus allowing the front end to exit before the back end enters.

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Homework Statement


A pole-vaulter holds a 5.0 m pole. A barn has doors at both ends, 3.0 m apart. The pole-vaulter on the outside of the barn begins running toward one of the open doors, holding the pole level in the direction he is running. When passing through the barn, the pole just fits entirely within the barn all at once.

According to the pole-vaulter, which occurs first, the front end of the pole leaving the barn or the back end entering? Explain. What is the time interval between these two events according to the pole-vaulter?

Homework Equations


t' = γ(t - ux/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Let S be reference frame of stationary observer
Let S' be reference frame of pole-vaulter
Subscript 1: Front end of pole leaving barn
Subscript 2: Back end of pole entering barn

From stationary observer's POV, back end of pole enters barn at the same time as front end of pole leaves barn. (Is this inference correct??)
t1 - t2 = 0

t2' - t1' = ... = γ[(t1 - t2) + 3u/c2]
Since t2' - t1' > 0, t1' occurs first. Therefore, front end of pole leaves barn first.

Is the calculation correct? Is there a more intuitive way of understanding which comes first?

Thanks!
 
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little neutrino said:

Homework Statement


A pole-vaulter holds a 5.0 m pole. A barn has doors at both ends, 3.0 m apart. The pole-vaulter on the outside of the barn begins running toward one of the open doors, holding the pole level in the direction he is running. When passing through the barn, the pole just fits entirely within the barn all at once.

According to the pole-vaulter, which occurs first, the front end of the pole leaving the barn or the back end entering? Explain. What is the time interval between these two events according to the pole-vaulter?

Homework Equations


t' = γ(t - ux/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Let S be reference frame of stationary observer
Let S' be reference frame of pole-vaulter
Subscript 1: Front end of pole leaving barn
Subscript 2: Back end of pole entering barn

From stationary observer's POV, back end of pole enters barn at the same time as front end of pole leaves barn. (Is this inference correct??)
t1 - t2 = 0

t2' - t1' = ... = γ[(t1 - t2) + 3u/c2]
Since t2' - t1' > 0, t1' occurs first. Therefore, front end of pole leaves barn first.

Is the calculation correct? Is there a more intuitive way of understanding which comes first?

Thanks!

Yes, your calculations are correct. The intuitive way of understanding it might be to look from the point of view of the pole-vaulter. From his point of view, it's the barn that is moving, and is length-contracted to just 9/5 meters between the doors. (You've described a length contraction factor, \frac{1}{\gamma}, of 3/5). So if you stick a 5-meter pole into a barn that is only 9/5 meters long, then of course the front end of the pole will come out the back door before the back end comes through the front door.
 
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stevendaryl said:
Yes, your calculations are correct. The intuitive way of understanding it might be to look from the point of view of the pole-vaulter. From his point of view, it's the barn that is moving, and is length-contracted to just 9/5 meters between the doors. (You've described a length contraction factor, \frac{1}{\gamma}, of 3/5). So if you stick a 5-meter pole into a barn that is only 9/5 meters long, then of course the front end of the pole will come out the back door before the back end comes through the front door.

Ohhh right! Thanks! :)
 

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