The Dominant Source of Earth's Surface Heat: Solar Radiation or Interior Heat?

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The discussion revolves around the sources of Earth's surface heat, specifically comparing solar radiation to heat from the Earth's interior. Participants explore the relative contributions of these heat sources, incorporating numerical estimates and theoretical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that solar radiation is the dominant source of Earth's surface heat, estimating a ratio of 100:1 compared to interior heat.
  • Another participant provides numerical data on crustal heat flows, indicating values between 1-10 mW/m².
  • A comparison is made between the solar flux of approximately 1370 W/m² and the much lower crustal heat flow, highlighting the significant difference.
  • A participant shares calculations regarding Earth's average temperature and radiative heat loss, concluding that Earth absorbs 214 W/m² while radiating 387 W/m², questioning the implications of this discrepancy.
  • There is a mention of the greenhouse effect as a potential factor in the heat balance, suggesting it may explain the difference between absorbed and radiated energy.
  • Another participant critiques the use of albedo in calculations, arguing that the assumption of perfect emissivity does not accurately represent Earth's characteristics as a "gray" body.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the relative contributions of solar radiation and interior heat to Earth's surface temperature. There is no consensus on the exact values or implications of the calculations presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations, such as the assumptions made regarding albedo and emissivity, as well as the complexities involved in modeling the greenhouse effect.

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To what extent is Earth's surface heated by heat from the interior? There were differing opinions in my Astrobiology class today. I would guess that solar radiation is by far the dominant source, perhaps 100:1 vs interior heat. Does anyone else have a better guess, or perhaps a source or equation to figure this out?
 
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Crustal heat flows are measured in mW/m2, average runs somewhere between 1-10.
 
yeh compare that to 1370w/m2 from the sun is a big difference.
 
You have an Astrobiology course?! I'm a bit jealous.
 
LURCH said:
You have an Astrobiology course?! I'm a bit jealous.
It's a very cool class, taught by Debra Fisher, one of the key astronomers in the detection of exosolar planets. And we get lots of great guest lecturers too. Nick Platts, Frank Drake, Geoff Marcy, and others.

Here's my attempt to throw some numbers at the temp problem.

Earth’s average temperature: 287K.

Therefore, Earth radiates:

<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> E = \sigma T^4 \\ <br /> E = \left( {5.7 \times 10^{ - 8} W/\left( {m^2 } \right)} \right) \times \left( {287} \right)^{} = 387\,W/m^2 \\ <br /> \end{array}<br />

On average, the Earth intercepts its 2-D cross section of the Sun’s flux:

Earth's cross section:
<br /> \pi r^2 = \pi \left( {6378000m} \right)^2 = 1.28 \times 10^{14} m^2 <br />

Solar flux at Earth's distance:
<br /> \frac{{3.8 \times 10^{26} W}}{{4\pi \left( {149580000000m} \right)^2 }} = 1352\,W/m^2 <br />

Earth receives:
<br /> 1.28 \times 10^{14} m^2 \, \times 1352\,W/m^2 = 1.7 \times 10^{17} W<br />

Earth's surface area:
<br /> 4\pi r^2 = 4\pi \left( {6378000m} \right)^2 = 5.1 \times 10^{14} m^2 <br />

So each square meter of Earth's surface receives an average of
<br /> \frac{{1.7 \times 10^{17} W}}{{5.1 \times 10^{14} m^2 }} = 338\,W/m^2 <br />

Earth’s albedo is 0.367, so therefore each square meter absorbs:
<br /> \left( {338\,W/m^2 } \right) \times \left( {1 - 0.367} \right) = 214\,W/m^2 <br />

So Earth is absorbing 214 watts per square meter, but radiating 387 watts per square meter?
My logic is probably flawed. The greehouse effect probably accounts for the difference, not internal heat escaping. Any thoughts?
 
Don't forget the greenhouse effect:

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Earth/earthtemp.html"
 
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tony873004 said:
(snip)So Earth is absorbing 214 watts per square meter, but radiating 387 watts per square meter?
(snip)

Not too wise to "marry" the number given for albedo; use of 1 for emissiivity when calculating black body radiation for what is a very "tattletale gray" body like a planet accounts for the big part of your discrepancy; the heat transfer problem hidden in the "greenhouse" analogy is not well defined, modeled, or measured.
 

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