The equipotential surface of a system of two unequal charges

  • Thread starter Thread starter R A V E N
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Elecrostatics
R A V E N
Messages
63
Reaction score
0
Homework Statement
How equation ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is obtained?
Relevant Equations
$$\frac{r_1^2}{r_2^2}=k^2=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}$$
$$\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2$$
We have a system of two unequal oppositely charged point charges, of which ##q_2## is smaller and ##d## is the distance between charges. There is an equipotential spherical surface of potential ##V=0## that encloses a charge of lesser absolute value. The task is to find parameters of that spherical surface, or more precisely circle, since the system is of course illustrated in two dimensions.

system.png
First we take into consideration arbitrary point ##M(x,y)## where ##V=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon}\left(\frac{q_1}{r_1}+\frac{q_2}{r_2}\right)##. If we use ##V=0## it's easy to obtain ##\frac{r_1}{r_2}=-\frac{q_1}{q_2}=k## where ##k## is coeficcient of proportionality.

From the illustration, we can see that ##r_1^2=(d-x)^2+y^2## and ##r_2^2=x^2+y^2##. Then we have ##\frac{r_1^2}{r_2^2}=k^2=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}## from which ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is obtained. This equation is the equation of a circle shown in the illustration with coordinates of the circle center ##x_0=-\frac{d}{k^2-1}##, (##|x_0|=\frac{d}{k^2-1}##), and ##y_0=0##. The radius of the circle (equipotential sphere) is ##R=\frac{kd}{k^2-1}=k|x_0|##. How the equation ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is derived?

For ##q_1## we have ##q_1=2Q##
and for ##q_2## we have ##q_2=−Q## which gives ##k=2##, but I don't see how that can help. Also, this problem uses the method of image charges because it comes after the lesson in my textbook where the method of image charges is explained.
 

Attachments

  • system.png
    system.png
    4.7 KB · Views: 109
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi,

I think your question

R A V E N said:
How the equation ##\left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2## is derived?
is asking to explain the steps in 'from which'
R A V E N said:
Then we have ##\ \frac{r_1^2}{r_2^2}=k^2=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}\ ##from which ##\ \left(x+\frac{d}{k^2-1}\right)^2+y^2=\left(\frac{kd}{k^2-1}\right)^2\ ## is obtained
right ?

Well, with $$\begin{align*}
k^2&=\frac{(d-x)^2+y^2}{x^2+y^2}\\ \mathstrut \\
k^2 x^2 + k^2 y^2&=x^2 -2dx +d^2 +y^2\\ \mathstrut \\
(k^2-1) x^2 + 2dx -d^2 + (k^2-1) y^2&=0\\ \mathstrut \\
x^2 + \left ({2d\over k^2-1} \right ) \,x - {d^2\over k^2-1} + y^2&=0\\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 -\left ({d\over k^2-1}\right )^2 - {d^2\over k^2-1} +y^2 &=0\\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 +y^2 &=\left ({d\over k^2-1}\right )^2 + {d^2\over k^2-1}\\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 +y^2 &={d^2\over\left ( {k^2-1}\right )^2} + {d^2\left ( k^2-1\right ) \over \left (k^2-1\right )^2} \\ \mathstrut \\
\left (x + {d\over k^2-1} \right)^2 +y^2 &=\left ({dk\over k^2-1} \right )^2
\end{align*}$$
 
  • Wow
  • Informative
  • Like
Likes MatinSAR, DeBangis21 and R A V E N
Yes! Thank you very much! Very creative and intelligent answer!
 
It's not rocket science,, just a bit of high school math -- and I was really glad the target expression was given.

It also was a good ##\LaTeX## exercise :smile:

##\ ##
 
Hi, I had an exam and I completely messed up a problem. Especially one part which was necessary for the rest of the problem. Basically, I have a wormhole metric: $$(ds)^2 = -(dt)^2 + (dr)^2 + (r^2 + b^2)( (d\theta)^2 + sin^2 \theta (d\phi)^2 )$$ Where ##b=1## with an orbit only in the equatorial plane. We also know from the question that the orbit must satisfy this relationship: $$\varepsilon = \frac{1}{2} (\frac{dr}{d\tau})^2 + V_{eff}(r)$$ Ultimately, I was tasked to find the initial...
The value of H equals ## 10^{3}## in natural units, According to : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_units, ## t \sim 10^{-21} sec = 10^{21} Hz ##, and since ## \text{GeV} \sim 10^{24} \text{Hz } ##, ## GeV \sim 10^{24} \times 10^{-21} = 10^3 ## in natural units. So is this conversion correct? Also in the above formula, can I convert H to that natural units , since it’s a constant, while keeping k in Hz ?
Back
Top