The island is big and wooded in parts, How do they survive?

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Survival on a deserted island requires immediate focus on finding fresh water, as it is the most critical resource. Building a shelter should follow closely, using natural materials and tools available. Food sources, including fruits, berries, and game, must be identified, while avoiding anything washed ashore. Establishing sanitation practices is essential for health, and a leadership structure can help maintain morale and organization among the group. Long-term survival strategies may include creating signal fires and exploring the island for resources.
  • #121
Danger the problem with plant alkaloids is they can go from midly pleasent, {tobbaco} to deadly{nighshades}..as I fall asleep, I wonder if the plane battery can be refitted to a alkaloid. Wave action, tubines..power..radios, codspieces..ZZzzzz :zzz:
 
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  • #122
hypatia said:
arildno, you could be in charge of moral, giving everyone good squirts. Of course you would have to do some chores too.
That's no problem.
 
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  • #123
Danger said:
Aren't you the one who said that there was a reliable source of clean water 8 hours away?

Ha, that was indeed wolram. After 1600-odd posts, he hasn't quite got the hang of the quote feature yet!

By the way, that cargo net in the B-29 should be good for catching fish more than about 15cm long.


Ooh goody. I was beginning to think I was going to have to make a net!

I'll start making some arrows, I'm not a bad fletcher. Keep an eye out for Ash, Elm or Willow saplings (or anything similar). I'll probably use bone for the heads, although fire-hardening would be easier, I guess it depends if we're going to be able to re-use our arrows. I'll pluck Moonbear's parrot for some feathers, split them down the middle, and bind them onto the shaft with moistened sinew from the guys who didn't survive the shipwreck.
 
  • #124
brewnog said:
I'll start making some arrows, I'm not a bad fletcher. Keep an eye out for Ash, Elm or Willow saplings (or anything similar).
Or similar I think. My guess is the we are somewhere (as yet to be determined) between 20N and 20S, latitude - which mean tropical.

I could be wrong, but Ash, Elm and Willow are more deciduous trees of the temperature latitudes - 30N and north, 30S and south.
 
  • #125
1. Find the biggest stick and eliminate biggest male threats
2. Declare self supreme ruler
3. Establish water sources and waste areas
4. Build shelters out of materials found on island
5. Round up women and put them in my shelter
6. Start Fire
7. Hunt for food, have women cook and feast
8. Mate
9. Repeat 7 and 8 until found
 
  • #126
dduardo said:
1. Find the biggest stick and eliminate biggest male threats
2. Declare self supreme ruler
3. Establish water sources and waste areas
4. Build shelters out of materials found on island
5. Round up women and put them in my shelter
6. Start Fire
7. Hunt for food, have women cook and feast
8. Mate
9. Repeat 7 and 8 until found

Who votes that if food supplies run low, we eat dduardo first? :-p :bugeye: :eek: :smile:
 
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Sorry all attempts to upload map fail, i have asked Kia for help.
 
  • #128
Aren't you the one who said that there was a reliable source of clean water 8 hours away?
See i can do it.

But we do not know were Astro elected to build our home, and we can not
waste time and energy carrying water day in day out.
 
  • #129
dduardo said:
1. Find the biggest stick and eliminate biggest male threats
2. Declare self supreme ruler
3. Establish water sources and waste areas
4. Build shelters out of materials found on island
5. Round up women and put them in my shelter
6. Start Fire
7. Hunt for food, have women cook and feast
8. Mate
9. Repeat 7 and 8 until found

Big eyes small tummy.
 
  • #130
PHP:
By Astronuc Or similar I think. My guess is the we are somewhere (as yet to be determined) between 20N and 20S, latitude - which mean tropical.

That is good enough for now.
 
  • #131
wolram said:
See i can do it.

But we do not know were Astro elected to build our home, . . . .
Wherever the 'group' decides! I still haven't started the big house.
 
  • #132
Astronuc said:
Wherever the 'group' decides! I still haven't started the big house.

Well, I've been watching the boars as they head for the watering hole, and it seems they're all coming in from the North side, so I suggest we build over on the South side.
 
  • #133
Sorry everyone for not helping much, I was staring the plane wreckage and yeha...

Danger said:
Note that I suggested it as an emergency motor for a possible boat, to be used sparingly.

In that function it should have a higher probability of being usable. I think someone suggested using it as a power source for a milling machine and or generator. In both of those conditions the engine would need to be close to 100%.

Danger said:
Another thing that puzzles me, though, is your contention that the seals will be okay. The seals in a car engine are pretty much shot after sitting 10 years, and they generally aren't subject to 'jungle rot'.

If I remember right all of the gaskets on the engine will be the cork type. So in this case the high humidity of the jungle should of kept them viable, if not then a good thick piece of tanned leather should work for a low power application.

I think we might be able to also set up an engine as a pump for water. However if it is a four stroke it will be very difficult or maybe imposable with what we have here. Well I can check on that when we tear them down.

As for the hunting I'll also be working on a bow, and start to help with the arrows. I've done a lot of hunting (read camping trip with weapons :biggrin: ), and for fun I also do a lot of line shooting (both bow, riffle and pistole).
 
  • #134
PHP:
By AV I think we might be able to also set up an engine as a pump for water. However if it is a four stroke it will be very difficult or maybe imposable with what we have here. Well I can check on that when we tear them down.
I have not encountered an engine yet that is totaly beyond use, the mains may be gone, the bores scored, or what ever, as long as it can suck squeze bang,
and have a good oil supply, we can get some use out of it.
If the mains are shot we could coat them with lead copper alloy, and grind them
in with a fine abrasive. pumice would be ok.
 
  • #135
Argentum Vulpes said:
If I remember right all of the gaskets on the engine will be the cork type. So in this case the high humidity of the jungle should of kept them viable, if not then a good thick piece of tanned leather should work for a low power application.
Okay, gaskets are a different matter. I was referring to the main seals on the crankshafts. As far as I know, they're usually neoprene or maybe even natural rubber in something that old. I still don't know what the hell a 'compression bearing' is, but it was my thought to make replacement rod and main bearings out of leather if the original babbitt ones are shot. (Hey, wait a sec... do you mean a thrust bearing? That would be a whole 'nother problem.)

Argentum Vulpes said:
I think we might be able to also set up an engine as a pump for water. However if it is a four stroke it will be very difficult or maybe imposable with what we have here. Well I can check on that when we tear them down.
That's a good thought, but we can still do it with the windmills as well. Also, if the fresh water supply that Wooley mentioned includes a waterfall, we can tap off what we want at the top and let gravity take it where we want it, as well as build a really nice paddle wheel power supply.

Argentum Vulpes said:
As for the hunting I'll also be working on a bow, and start to help with the arrows. I've done a lot of hunting (read camping trip with weapons :biggrin: ), and for fun I also do a lot of line shooting (both bow, riffle and pistole).
Awesome, mate! Welcome to the Nasty Boys squad. I've got my first trap set up, but haven't armed it until I can warn everyone. All six of the crossbows that I built from springs and steel from the wreckage are now firmly mounted, 3 per side, beside the boar's path to the water. A trip wire right in the middle will fire all at once across the path. There are logs behind them on both sides, so the quarrels made from the B-29 control rods can be recovered after use. Any or all of the crossbows can be dismounted for hand-held use. I'm not going to bother building any small-animal traps until I know what kind of small animals live here. Brewnog, I still need a heavy-duty net or three made out of thick vines or whatever, so you're not off the hook there. I'm going to try making a bird-trap with some of the cargo netting, as long as there's still enough left for fishing. If necessary, I can convert some of the .50's to shotgun shells.
As for dduardo, eating him might be temporarily satisfying but he probably tastes fishy. I'd prefer to electrolyze some water, inflate him with the hydrogen from it, and float him over the island as a beacon. If we plug any natural orifices with light bulbs, he shouldn't outgas for a couple of days.
 
  • #136
So what if all 4 engines have bent cranks?
 
  • #137
You can call me a bent crank...{hands on hips,taps foot} but we still need toilets dug!
Would someone please, fashion a shovel from that bit of metal?
 
  • #138
I'm union. I'm on break.
 
  • #139
omg I just read dangers post...we need to get him meds ..ASAP
 
  • #140
Danger said:
If necessary, I can convert some of the .50's to shotgun shells.
Or we can make some your Portuguese friend's mother's biscuits if you can remember the recipe. :smile: That was a beaut, mate! :biggrin:
 
  • #141
hypatia said:
You can call me a bent crank...{hands on hips,taps foot} but we still need toilets dug!
Would someone please, fashion a shovel from that bit of metal?
Oh, I made a couple of out-houses.

How 'bout we make dduardo responsible, as assistant sanitary engineer? :biggrin:

I am going after a boar. Be back in a jiff.
 
  • #142
Astronuc, I've got the big stick. If you challenge my power you'll get a good whacking.
 
  • #143
dduardo said:
Astronuc, I've got the big stick. If you challenge my power you'll get a good whacking.
I eat sticks! :biggrin: :smile:
 
  • #144
Astronuc said:
Oh, I made a couple of out-houses.

How 'bout we make dduardo responsible, as assistant sanitary engineer? :biggrin:.
geez I hope we can deflate him in time:smile: And thanks for the out houses!

Ive got some greens gathered, and a spicy smelling root, and small dates. Putting rocks into the hot coals...soaking large leaves in water...

we will feast tonight!
 
  • #145
*Whacks hypatia over the head with a big stick*

That's for trying to deflate my ego.
 
  • #146
FredGarvin said:
So what if all 4 engines have bent cranks?
Knock a propellor blade off to rebalance it. :biggrin:

Astronuc said:
Or we can make some your Portuguese friend's mother's biscuits if you can remember the recipe. :smile: That was a beaut, mate! :biggrin:
Thanks. :blushing:
I know that I'm supposed to keep stuff like that down here, but sometimes I just can't help it.
I wouldn't attempt to duplicate the recipe until I can build a right powerful catapult to heave them. They might best be reserved for coastal defense.

dduardo said:
*Whacks hypatia over the head with a big stick*
You're on the wrong island, dude. Whapping a Motown or Joisey gal with a stick, no matter how big, is not a good idea. You'll be lucky if you have any orifices left to plug with lightbulbs.
 
  • #147
his twig did no damage...but he's got to sleep sometime. :rolleyes:
I maybe in favor of making a pillory.
 
  • #148
*Forges steel sword and slices Danger's arm off*

That's for telling me who I can and can't whack
 
  • #149
dduardo said:
*Forges steel sword and slices Danger's arm off*
I hate to spoil your fun, but since we're treating this more or less as a real exercise, the first attempt by you to whap anyone with a stick would result in
1) exile or similar, if it's Astronuc's decision
2) you becoming the backstop for the first live fire test of the rebuilt .50's, if it's mine
:-p
 
  • #150
dduardo said:
*Forges steel sword and slices Danger's arm off*

That's for telling me who I can and can't whack
Hey! We need everyone with arms attached! We have too much work to do. Now I have to sew Danger's arm back on. Brewnog and Astronuc, we're going to need some of your stash for disinfection. Arildno, come over here and sit on Danger to stop his squirming. :rolleyes: I sure hope that needle is sharp. Pokes dduardo in the rear. :devil: Yep, that seemed sharp enough. Hypatia, just keep holding pressure on the wound. Evo, I need thread! Strip dduardo and shred his clothing to threads and soak them in the alcohol. Wolram, once we get the clothes off dduardo, take those leather straps and tie him up to that tree so he stays out of trouble! :mad: Sorry, Danger, this is going to hurt, no way around it.
 

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