The Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation

In summary, this conversation discusses the relationship between the Lorentz Force and Maxwell's equations, derived from the Klein Gordon equation. The Lorentz Force is a result of the U(1) symmetry and the interaction between A^\mu and the Klein Gordon field. The acceleration operator is obtained by applying the Hamiltonian twice on the position operator of the Klein Gordon field, and the acceleration is a result of the Lorentz Force. This approach allows for a better understanding of the time evolution of the field and its charge-current density. There is also discussion on the time evolution of the Dirac field and its connection to equations for spin motion.
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The Lorentz Force and Maxwell's equations derived from Klein Gordon's equation

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http://www.physics-quest.org/Book_Lorentz_force_from_Klein_Gordon.pdfI posted several new chapters of my book lately, mostly involving the Klein Gordon equation.

This chapter shows how the Lorentz Force has a quantum mechanical base and is the
result of the U(1) group represention of the complex Klein Gordon field with electric charge.
( The interaction between [itex]A^\mu[/itex] and [itex]\psi[/itex] goes via the phase of the field )

After some introductions on the Aharonv-Bohm effect the Wilson loops are discussed in
combination with the U(1) symmetry. Thereafter we go to the derivation.

First the acceleration operator is obtained by applying the Hamiltonian twice on the position
operator of the Klein Gordon field.

Applying the acceleration operator on the Klein Gordon field with interaction gives the
the Lorentz Force, the acceleration is a result of the Lorentz Force.

There are lots of illustrations, for instance figures 11.3 through 11.6 show how the wave
nature leads to each of the individual components of the Lorentz force.Regards, Hans

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11.1   Klein Gordon equation with EM interaction. . . . . . . . 2
11.2   Aharonov Bohm effect and experiments . . . . . . . . . . 4
11.3   The scalar phase and Wilson Loops. . . . . . . . . . . . 7
11.4   Lorentz force from the acceleration operator . . . . . . 10
11.5   Parallel electric Lorentz force term . . . . . . . . . . 14
11.6   Orthogonal electric Lorentz force term . . . . . . . . . 15
11.7   Parallel magnetic Lorentz force term . . . . . . . . . . 16
11.8   Orthogonal magnetic Lorentz force term . . . . . . . . . 17
11.9   The total four-vector Lorentz force. . . . . . . . . . . 18
11.10  Maxwell's equations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
11.11  Covariant derivative and gauge invariance. . . . . . . . 23
 
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Very interesting to see some illustrations and explanation of physical interactions underlying QFT...thanks! I had never seen an experimental set ups for QFT..

Why derive Lorentz Force and Maxwells equations from Klein Gorden? In other words, what is the motivation and are there new consequences of being able to do so?
 
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Naty1 said:
Very interesting to see some illustrations and explanation of physical interactions underlying QFT...thanks! I had never seen an experimental set ups for QFT..

Why derive Lorentz Force and Maxwells equations from Klein Gorden? In other words, what is the motivation and are there new consequences of being able to do so?

Thank you, Naty1

The complex Klein Gordon field is the simplest field incorporating the electric charge
and it is important to understand the time evolution of the field, which can be interpreted
as a charge-current density, under influence of an arbitrary four potential field [itex]A^\mu[/itex]

The charge-current density of the Klein Gordon field is also one of the two components
of the charge-current density of the Dirac field, the other component is the charge-current
density from spin.

The next step is to repeat this for the time evolution of the Dirac field and to recover
equations like the Bargmann-Michel-Telegdi equation for the motion of spin directly
from the Dirac equation itself.


Regards, Hans.
 

1. What is the Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation?

The Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation is a mathematical formula that describes the force acting on a charged particle in an electromagnetic field. It is derived from the Klein Gordon equation, which is a relativistic equation that describes the behavior of particles with spin.

2. How is the Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation used in physics?

The Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation is used in various areas of physics, including quantum mechanics, particle physics, and electromagnetism. It is used to understand the behavior of charged particles in electric and magnetic fields, and is also used in the development of quantum field theories.

3. What is the significance of the Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation?

The Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation is significant because it provides a mathematical framework for understanding the interaction between charged particles and electromagnetic fields. It is a fundamental concept in physics and has many practical applications, including the development of technologies such as particle accelerators and MRI machines.

4. How is the Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation related to the Lorentz force equation?

The Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation is a relativistic version of the classical Lorentz force equation. It takes into account the effects of special relativity, such as time dilation and length contraction, on the motion of charged particles in an electromagnetic field. In the limit of low velocities, the two equations converge and produce the same results.

5. Are there any real-world applications of the Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation?

Yes, there are many real-world applications of the Lorentz force derived from the Klein Gordon equation. As mentioned earlier, it is used in the development of technologies such as particle accelerators and MRI machines. It is also used in the study of particle physics and the behavior of charged particles in various materials. Additionally, it is used in the design of electric motors and generators, as well as in the study of plasma physics.

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