The Mystery of Elements in the Sun's Primordial Dust Cloud

In summary, the conversation discusses the fascinating table shown in today's APOD, which showcases the elements present in the universe and their origins. Questions are raised about the elements heavier than iron and their production mechanisms, with neutron capture being the dominant one. The conversation also touches on the production of elements through processes such as stellar fusion, supernovae, and neutron star mergers. The origin of certain elements, such as arsenic, is still unclear and is thought to be a result of the r-process in AGB stars or neutron star mergers. The conversation also mentions the production of transuranic elements through nuclear weapons testing.
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Today's APOD http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160125.html
Shows this fascinating table. What a pity that is doesn't show isotopes.

Strange are Ba, La, Ce which are shown as large star but not supernova.

The article says that the origin of Cu is not well known. Fascinating.

I'm curious about the large star elements heavier than iron. Is neutron capture the only mechanism for their formations?

I'm also curious about transport. How did "large star" elements, not supernova, get transported to the sun's primordial dust cloud? Zinc for example. We have lots of zinc.
 
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Perhaps I can guess at the answer to my own question. Most Zn in the universe is still trapped in the cores of the large stars where it was formed. A small fraction of the Zn was expelled in supernovas and transported here. Therefore Zn should be shown in the table as both large star and supernova. Correct?
 
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anorlunda said:
Strange are Ba, La, Ce which are shown as large star but not supernova.
Supernovae will certainly produce some of them, but it looks like most nuclei continue to capture more neutrons to get heavier elements.
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I'm curious about the large star elements heavier than iron. Is neutron capture the only mechanism for their formations?
It is the dominant one, you always have some side-reactions.
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Therefore Zn should be shown in the table as both large star and supernova.
I think the table is really about the production process, so Zn produced in fusion where a supernova happened later would count as "large star". Supernovae help to emit large quantities of heavier elements into the surrounding medium, sure. Stellar winds contribute a bit as well.
 
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Li was produced during the big bang.
 
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mathman said:
Li was produced during the big bang.
That was my first thought as well.
 
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mathman said:
Li was produced during the big bang.
And through cosmic ray spallation. I'd have coloured that box half-BBN & half cosmic rays.

The other head scratcher for me is arsenic. My understanding is that like Cu, the origin of As is somewhat unclear, but thought to be more likely r process than s. (see e.g. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.0518.pdf )
 
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Heavy elements are produced by neutronification of lighter elements. There are any number of mechanisms by which this can occur, most of which are believed to occur as a product of stellar fusion. But even more energetic processes also occur in the cosmos that can contribute to this process.
 
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Chronos said:
Heavy elements are produced by neutronification of lighter elements. There are any number of mechanisms by which this can occur, most of which are believed to occur as a product of stellar fusion. But even more energetic processes also occur in the cosmos that can contribute to this process.
Stellar fusion produces elements up to iron. Heavier elements are produce in supernovae
 
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mathman said:
Stellar fusion produces elements up to iron. Heavier elements are produce in supernovae

That's an oversimplification. Some heavier elements, as can be seen in the graphic in the OP, are produced in the s-process (slow neutron capture) in AGB stars (the 'large stars' category, but actually AGB stars are low-intermediate mass (<10 Msolar) stars. The graphic has some issues).

Further, the site of the r-process (rapid neutron capture) isn't definitively supernovae. It has been difficult to reconcile models of supernovae with observed r-process abundances. Rather, the r-process may be located in neutron star mergers. Or, there may be several r-processes, and so several sites.
 
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Once U and Pu are present, then some of the atoms will undergo fission, which would produce trace levels of Cu, Zn, Ga, Ge, As, Se, . . . and their complementary atoms.

Basically for Z = 92, fission produces Z1 and Z2 = 92- Z1, so a fission of U produces 2 Pd, or (Rh, Ag), (Ru, Cd), (Tc, In), . . . (Zr, Te - very common for thermal neutron fission), . . . (As, Pr), (Ge, Nd), (Ga, Pm), . . .

For fission of Pu, As is produced with Sm. As-75 however is produced in about 1E-11 fissions, so it more likely come from neutron capture by Ge-74, and subsequent β- decay of Ge-75.

Then any of the fission products are subject to neutron capture and neutron spallation, or cosmic ray spallation.

http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/reColor.jsp?newColor=235ufy
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/reColor.jsp?newColor=239pufy
Select a location on the chart and zoom 1 to look at particular nuclides.

Transuranic elements were identified in the residues (fallout) of nuclear weapons tests.
"Production of Very Heavy Elements in Thermonuclear Explosions-Test Barbel"
http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.14.962 (purchase necessary)

"Einsteinium was first identified in December 1952 by Albert Ghiorso and co-workers at the University of California, Berkeley in collaboration with the Argonne and Los Alamos National Laboratories, in the fallout from the Ivy Mike nuclear test."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsteinium#History

"Fermium was first discovered in the fallout from the 'Ivy Mike' nuclear test (1 November 1952), the first successful test of a hydrogen bomb."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermium#Discovery
 
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What is the "Mystery of Elements in the Sun's Primordial Dust Cloud"?

The "Mystery of Elements in the Sun's Primordial Dust Cloud" refers to the question of how the elements found in the Sun's atmosphere were formed and how they came to be present in the initial dust cloud that formed our solar system.

What evidence supports the existence of a primordial dust cloud?

The existence of a primordial dust cloud is supported by the abundance of elements found in the Sun's atmosphere, which is similar to the composition of the initial dust cloud. Additionally, the presence of isotopes in meteorites that are only formed in the early stages of a star's life also suggests the existence of a primordial dust cloud.

How do scientists study the elements in the Sun's primordial dust cloud?

Scientists study the elements in the Sun's primordial dust cloud through a variety of methods, including spectroscopy and analysis of meteorites. Spectroscopy involves analyzing the wavelengths of light emitted by the Sun to identify the elements present. Meteorites are also studied as they are believed to be remnants of the original dust cloud and can provide valuable information about its composition.

What are the implications of understanding the mystery of elements in the Sun's primordial dust cloud?

Understanding the mystery of elements in the Sun's primordial dust cloud can provide insights into the formation and evolution of our solar system. It can also help us understand the processes that led to the formation of the Earth and the other planets in our solar system. Additionally, it can contribute to our understanding of the origin of elements and the processes that drive stellar evolution.

Are there any current theories or hypotheses about the mystery of elements in the Sun's primordial dust cloud?

Yes, there are several theories and hypotheses that attempt to explain the origins of the elements in the Sun's primordial dust cloud. These include the nebular hypothesis, which suggests that the elements were formed through the condensation of gas and dust in the early solar system; and the supernova nucleosynthesis theory, which proposes that the elements were created through the explosion of a massive star. However, further research and evidence are needed to fully understand this mystery.

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