The Tricky Antiderivative: Solving the Integral of a Radical Function

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The problem involves finding the antiderivative of the integral $$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x^2}{1-x^2}} dx $$, which is situated within the context of calculus, specifically dealing with integrals of radical functions. Participants explore various approaches and substitutions to tackle this integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the difficulty of finding an antiderivative, with some noting that it may be classified as an elliptic integral. There are suggestions of using substitutions and completing the square to simplify the problem. One participant proposes a different integral, questioning whether it is solvable and suggesting a u-substitution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering different substitutions and transformations. Some participants express uncertainty about the solvability of the original integral, while others explore the implications of their proposed substitutions. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the challenge of creating their own integrals and the potential pitfalls of not knowing if they can be solved. There is also a mention of homework constraints regarding the formulation of problems.

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1. The problem, the whole problem, and nothing but the problem

$$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x^2}{1-x^2}} dx $$

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I tried a partial fraction decomp, but this obviously didn't get me very far because this isn't a rational function. Is there some kind of ingenious substitution applicable here?
 
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I don't see any way to get an antiderivative. And Wolfram Alpha says it's an elliptic integral. I don't disagree. If it's a definite integral there might be a trick. Is that the whole problem?
 
Dick said:
I don't see any way to get an antiderivative. And Wolfram Alpha says it's an elliptic integral. I don't disagree. If it's a definite integral there might be a trick. Is that the whole problem?

... I made it up

I've changed the problem to the following:

$$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x}{1-x}} dx $$

According to wolfram, this does have a (nasty) elementary antiderivative. Any thoughts?
 
piercebeatz said:
... I made it up

You are making up HARD PROBLEMS.
 
Sorry for adding new detail to a previous post by the way, I just remembered that that's a big no-no
 
Making your own integrals isn't a good idea because you tend not to know if you can solve them. For example: \int e^{x^{2}} dx
 
The new integral you made up is solvable however. Do a u substitution.
 
piercebeatz said:
... I made it up

I've changed the problem to the following:

$$ \int \sqrt{\frac{1+x}{1-x}} dx $$

According to wolfram, this does have a (nasty) elementary antiderivative. Any thoughts?

Substitute something that would make that square root on the denominator much easier to deal with (or eliminate).
 
How about the substitution ## x = -2u - u^2##, ##dx = -2 - 2u##

$$ \int \sqrt{ \frac{1 - 2u-u^2}{1+2u + u^2} } (-2-2u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \frac{ \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} }{1+u}(1+u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} \, du$$

Alright, that looks fairly simple, but I'm blanking as to how I should deal with it.
 
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I'd say complete the square and then use a trig substitution.
 
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piercebeatz said:
How about the substitution ## x = -2u - u^2##, ##dx = -2 - 2u##

$$ \int \sqrt{ \frac{1 - 2u-u^2}{1+2u + u^2} } (-2-2u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \frac{ \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} }{1+u}(1+u) \, du $$

$$ -2 \int \sqrt{1-2u-u^2} \, du$$

Alright, that looks fairly simple, but I'm blanking as to how I should deal with it.

Why not ##x = 1 - u^2##?
 
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Alright, I completed the square, changing ##1-2u-u^2## to ## 2-(1+u)^2##.

$$ -2\int \sqrt{2-(1+u)^2} \, du $$

$$1+u = \sqrt{2} \sin\theta, \quad du = \sqrt{2} \cos \theta \, d\theta $$

$$ -2\sqrt{2} \int \cos \theta \sqrt{2-2 \sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ -4 \int \cos \theta \sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ v = \sin \theta, \quad dv = \cos \theta \, d\theta$$

$$ -4 \int 1 - v^2 \, dv $$

$$ -4( v - v^3/3) $$

$$ 4(v^3/3 - v) $$

Before I go back and perform the various substitutions, is that correct?
 
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Curious3141 said:
Why not ##x = 1 - u^2##?

That would have truly been a wise choice
 
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piercebeatz said:
Alright, I completed the square, changing ##1-2u-u^2## to ## 2-(1+u)^2##.

$$ -2\int \sqrt{2-(1+u)^2} \, du $$

$$1+u = \sqrt{2} \sin\theta, \quad du = \sqrt{2} \cos \theta \, d\theta $$

$$ -2\sqrt{2} \int \cos \theta \sqrt{2-2 \sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ -4 \int \cos \theta \sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$

$$ v = \sin \theta, \quad dv = \cos \theta \, d\theta$$

$$ -4 \int 1 - v^2 \, dv $$

$$ -4( v - v^3/3) $$

$$ 4(v^3/3 - v) $$

Before I go back and perform the various substitutions, is that correct?

Isn't 1 - sin2θ just cos2θ?
 
  • #15
runningninja said:
Isn't 1 - sin2θ just cos2θ?

-.- yes

$$ -4 \int \cos \theta \sqrt{1-\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta $$
$$ -4 \int \cos^2 \theta \, d\theta $$
$$ -4 \int \frac{1+\cos(2\theta)}{2} d\theta $$
$$ -2\Big(\theta + \int \cos(2\theta) d\theta \Big)$$
$$ -2(\theta + \frac{ \sin(2\theta)}{2}) $$
$$ - \sin(2\theta) -2\theta $$
 

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