The weak force, first step of nuclear fusion in the Sun

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a textbook illustration related to the weak force and its role in nuclear fusion within the Sun. Participants are clarifying details about the illustration, specifically regarding the conversion of protons to neutrons and the labeling of quarks in protons and neutrons.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the caption in the illustration is a typo, suggesting it should read "neutrons into protons."
  • Another participant asserts that the illustration is correct, explaining that during proton-proton fusion, one proton must be converted into a neutron due to the weak force, which is a rare occurrence.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the labeling of quarks in the illustration, specifically questioning if the proton is incorrectly labeled with two down quarks and one up quark.
  • Subsequent replies confirm that the labeling of quarks in the illustration is indeed incorrect, with one participant stating that the picture has it backwards.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the illustration regarding the weak force's role in fusion, but there is a consensus that the labeling of quarks is incorrect. The initial confusion about the caption remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the illustration's clarity regarding quark placement and the potential for misinterpretation of the weak force's function in nuclear fusion.

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Hi. I need help please with a textbook illustration that has confused me.

Is the caption a typo? Should be "neutrons into protons" instead?

Thanks.
 

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The illustration is correct. A helium-2 nucleus, aka a diproton, is not stable, so when two protons collide in the core of the Sun, one of them MUST be turned into a neutron in order for proton-proton fusion to work. Most collisions between protons do not result in fusion. It is only on the very rare occasions that the weak force is able to turn one of the protons into a neutron that fusion occurs.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-proton_chain_reaction
 
Hello,

Thank you for your help. I understand now that it's protons to neutrons.

My confusion stemmed from the placement of the quarks. Is the proton on the left incorrectly labeled with two down quarks and one up quark--should have two up and one down? Vice versa for the neutron on the right?

Thanks.
 
bluejello said:
My confusion stemmed from the placement of the quarks. Is the proton on the left incorrectly labeled with two down quarks and one up quark--should have two up and one down? Vice versa for the neutron on the right?.
Yep, you're right. The picture has it backwards!
 
Bill_K said:
Yep, you're right. The picture has it backwards!

Oh wow, I didn't even notice, lol.
 
Oh good, I felt stumped. Nice relief.

Thank you, both!
 

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