The width of a finite potential well

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving an electron in a finite potential well. The potential well has walls of height ##V_0 = 8.0eV##, and the energy of the ground state is ##E = 0.50eV##. Participants are attempting to approximate the width of the well based on the provided equations and conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the width of the potential well using the relationship between the wave function and the potential energy. They express concern about discrepancies in their numerical results and seek feedback on their calculations.
  • Some participants question the transition between equations and suggest checking the assumptions regarding the well's boundaries and the use of radians in calculations.
  • Others note the distinction between even and odd solutions in the context of the potential well, referencing specific equations from quantum mechanics literature.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the equations and assumptions involved. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly related to the interpretation of the well's width and the use of radians. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored, and guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of the formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics equations, including the implications of the potential well's boundaries and the mathematical relationships involved. There is mention of specific resources that may clarify the concepts, but no definitive resolution has been reached regarding the original poster's calculations.

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Homework Statement


An electron is enclosed in a potential well, whose walls are ##V_0 = 8.0eV## high. If the energy of the ground state is ##E = 0.50eV##, approximate the width of the well.

Answer: ##0.72nm##

Homework Equations


For an electron in a potential well, whose energy is less than the height of the potential walls, outside the well the time-independent Schrödinger equation becomes:
\begin{equation}
\Psi ''(x) = \frac{2m}{\hbar^2}(V_0 - E) \Psi (x) = \alpha^2 \Psi (x),
\end{equation}
where
\begin{equation}
\alpha^2 = \frac{2m}{\hbar} (V_0 - E) > 0
\end{equation}
Inside the well, where ##V(x) = 0##, it is the familiar:
\begin{equation}
\Psi ''(x) = -k^2 \Psi (x), k^2 = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}
\end{equation}
By doing a whole bunch of math (by requiring that ##\Psi## be continuously differentiable at the potential walls and solving the resulting linear system with the assumption that it has more than one solution, meaning ##det() = 0##), we and up with the result
\begin{equation}
\frac{\sin (kL)}{\cos (kL)} = \tan (kL) = \frac{\alpha}{k}.
\end{equation}
Substituting ##\alpha## from ##(2)## and ##k## from ##(3)##, we get
\begin{equation}
\tan (kL) = \sqrt{\frac{V_0 - E}{E}}
\end{equation}

The Attempt at a Solution


Now my idea was to use ##(5)## to solve for ##L## as follows:
<br /> \tan (kL) = \sqrt{\frac{V_0 - E}{E}}\\<br /> \iff\\<br /> kL = \arctan (\sqrt{\frac{V_0 - E}{E}})\\<br /> \iff\\<br /> L = k^{-1}\arctan (\sqrt{\frac{V_0 - E}{E}})<br /> <br /> = \sqrt{\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}}^{-1} \cdot \arctan (\sqrt{\frac{V_0 - E}{E}})\\<br /> <br /> = \sqrt{\frac{2(9.109 \cdot 10^{-31}kg)(0.5 \cdot 1.6022 \cdot 10^{-19}J)}{(\frac{6.626\cdot 10^{-34}Js}{2\pi})^2}}^{-1} \cdot\\<br /> \arctan (\sqrt{\frac{8eV - 0.5eV}{0.5eV}})\\<br /> <br /> = 2.084 751 \cdot 10^{-8}m,<br />
which is a bit off. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
 
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I grabbed a QM text off the shelf to check your equation (5). It appears to me that this equation is for a well that extends from x = -L to x = +L. So, L in (5) would be half the width of the well.

Also, make sure your calculator is in the radian mode for taking the arctan.
 
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TSny said:
I grabbed a QM text off the shelf to check your equation (5). It appears to me that this equation is for a well that extends from x = -L to x = +L. So, L in (5) would be half the width of the well.

Also, make sure your calculator is in the radian mode for taking the arctan.

Yeah, it was the radian thing, and the fact that the well goes from -L to L. The online material for our book (Tipler, Modern Physics, itself glosses over this part, the mathematics in particular) actually uses the letter ##a## in place of ##L##, but I figured I could just change the place of the origin without doing anything to make up for it, so to speak.

Thanks again.
 
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TheSodesa said:
Apparently there are even and odd solutions. The online material for our book states, that the ##-\cot(ka)## actually corresponds to the odd case.
Yes?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Yes?

I as just noting that the link (the part of the page) you provided used ##-\cot## instead of ##\tan##. At the time I didn't notice I could scroll up on that page, where the even solution could be found as well.
 
TheSodesa said:
I as just noting that the link (the part of the page) you provided used ##-\cot## instead of ##\tan##. At the time I didn't notice I could scroll up on that page, where the even solution could be found as well.
Yes? Where are you up to in your solution?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Yes? Where are you up to in your solution?

Gah, sorry. I just fell of the map for a week, didn't I? I basically forgot to use radians in my calculation and also forgot, that the formula applies to a potential well from ##-a## to ##a##, not ##0## to ##L##.

Should I have posted my final numerical answer in this thread? I guess that would have been in good housekeeping...

The answer I got was ##\approx 0.73nm##.
 

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