Thermal expansion with set of 3 wires

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The problem involves three identical wires arranged in a Y shape, secured at each end to a wall. The scenario considers the effects of cooling on the wires, specifically how the knot at the junction of the wires moves and the resulting tensions in each wire. The original poster is exploring the implications of thermal expansion and the assumptions involved in the setup.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the thermal expansion of the wires to the tension and movement of the knot, questioning the validity of their assumptions regarding the angle θ remaining constant. Other participants suggest visualizing the problem through diagrams and consider the implications of Young's modulus on the solution.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the constancy of the angle θ and its impact on the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of diagrams to clarify the situation, and the original poster expresses increased confidence in their understanding as the discussion progresses.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes difficulty in visualizing the system's changes under the assumption that the angle θ does not change, which is a critical point of discussion among participants.

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Homework Statement


Three identical wires Lo, diameter d, are arranged like a Y letter (please see attachment)

Each end of the wires is secured to a wall. Initial tension is approximately zero. If the wires are cooled ΔT, find the distance the knot moves to the right and the final tension in each wire. (assume θ does not change when the knot moves.)


Homework Equations


ΔL = Lo\alphaΔT
ΔL/Lo = -F/AY = \alphaΔT

The Attempt at a Solution


Tensions in wires: Fwire1 = 2 * Fwire2 * cos(θ/2)
Here is where I'm stuck. I think that the total expansion is zero, so the equation is something like this

ΔLtotal = ΔLwire1 + ΔLwire2 cos(θ/2)
= (Lo\alphaΔT - Lo Fwire1/AY) + ( Lo\alphaΔT - Lo Fwire2/AY) cos(θ/2) = 0

But I got the wrong answers. It is hard for me to visualize how the system changes with the assumption that θ is still the same. It doesn't make sense. Please help me.
Thank you very much.
 

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This question can be solved by assuming a Young's modulus (Y) for the material. It helps to draw the diagram of individual wires before cooling, after cooling (assuming absence of other wires) and the real scenario after cooling. I have attached these in this reply. So just check it out and see whether it works. Here x is the required extension.
 

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θ would change but the change could be small so they are telling you to assume it's constant.

I reckon for some angles Δx could be -ve, 0 or +ve.
 
Thank you for all your help! I can do it now.
 

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