Thermodynamic pressure/temperature question

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The discussion focuses on a thermodynamic problem involving the compression of argon gas in a cylinder. The initial state of the gas is at 10 bar and room temperature, and it is compressed to 50 bar. The user is attempting to calculate the final temperature after compression using the provided equation but is uncertain about its correctness, suspecting that the temperature should increase rather than decrease. The conversation also hints at considering the adiabatic nature of the compression and the mixing of gases to determine the final state. Clarification on the equations and concepts related to adiabatic processes and ideal gas behavior is sought.
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Consider filling a cylinder of compressed argon from a high-pressure supply line. Before filling, the cylinder contains 10 bar of argon at room temperature the valve is then opened, exposing the tank to a 50 bar line at room temperature until the cylinder reaches 50bar. The valve is then closed. For argon take C_p =5/2 *R and the molecular weight to be 40kg/mol. You may use the ideal gas model.
a) what is the temperature after the valve is closed.
b)if the cylinder sits in storage for a long time how much heat is transferred.
c) what is the pressure of the cylinder when it is shipped (after sitting a long time)


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Ok, so I'm not really worried about b or c yet since I can't get a.

Anyway My attempt:

I used an equation my prof gave us T2=(P2*(Cp/Cv)*T1)/(P2-P1 + P1/T1*(Cp/Cv)*T1

I plugged in the given value for Cp used Cv=Cp-R
used P2=50bar P1=10bar T1=298K and got 59.4 However I am pretty sure the temperature wouldn't go down, if anything it should go up since it is being compressed to a higher pressure. can anyone help maybe this equation is wrong or something? my prof writes really sloppy and I can't read it properly sometimes, let me know if this is the right forum too I wasn't sure where to put this question!
 
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physstudent1 said:

Homework Statement


Consider filling a cylinder of compressed argon from a high-pressure supply line. Before filling, the cylinder contains 10 bar of argon at room temperature the valve is then opened, exposing the tank to a 50 bar line at room temperature until the cylinder reaches 50bar. The valve is then closed. For argon take C_p =5/2 *R and the molecular weight to be 40kg/mol. You may use the ideal gas model.
a) what is the temperature after the valve is closed.
b)if the cylinder sits in storage for a long time how much heat is transferred.
c) what is the pressure of the cylinder when it is shipped (after sitting a long time)
Think of the gas in the cylinder being compressed by the inflowing gas (eg. think of the argon in the cylinder being contained in a sealed rubber balloon that is then compressed to 50 bar). The inflowing gas, however, does not experience a net compression.

Work out the temperature for an adiabatic compression of the gas that is originally in the cylinder. Then let the two mix so that the temperature evens out.

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