Thermodynamics - Heat Engine Cycle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in heat during a thermodynamic cycle involving a monatomic ideal gas. Participants confirm the correct application of the equations PV = nRT and U = (3/2)nRT to find temperatures and internal energies at different states. There is confusion regarding the work done during transitions, particularly why W2→3 is zero due to constant volume, and the correct calculation of heat changes, ΔQ. A participant corrects a mistake in the volume for state 3, which affects the internal energy calculations. The conversation concludes with clarification on the correct approach to finding the change in internal energy and heat.
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Homework Statement


n = 5 moles, monatomic, ideal gas
p1 = 7280 Pa; v1 = 2 m3
p2 = 7280; v2 = 6
p3 = 6500; v3 = 6

What is the change in heat, from 2 to 3, and from 3 to 1?

Homework Equations


PV = nRT
U = (3/2)nRT
Q = du + dw

The Attempt at a Solution



PV = nRT
(7280)(2) = (5)(8.32)T1

T1 = 350 (correct)
T2= 1050 (correct)
T3 = 937.5 (correct)

U = (3/2)nRT
U1 = (3/2)(5)(8.32)(350) = 21840
U2 = 65520
U3 = 57796.88

W1 = 29120
W2 = 0
W3 = -27560
(all correct)

Q = du + dw
ΔQ1 to 2 = (65520-21840) + 29120 = 72800 (correct)
ΔQ2 to 3 = (57796.88-65520) + 0 = -7723.12 (correct: -7020)
ΔQ3 to 1 (21840-57796.88) - 27560 = -63516.88 (correct: -64220)

This is driving me nuts. I can get the first heat quantity right, but not the next two. I've triple checked my work (though that doesn't totally eliminate the possibility of an arithmetic mistake). Where am I going wrong?
 
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Is Q = du + dw or is dQ = du + dw ?

How come I get T3 = 312.5 from pV = nRT ? Any chance p3 = 19500 ?
Any (other) typos or omissions (adiabatic, isothermal?) in the problem statement ?

You say W1, do you mean W##_{1\rightarrow2}## ? There I get 29120 for the work pΔV the gas is doing.
If so, why is W##_{2\rightarrow3}## = 0 ?
If so, why is W##_{3\rightarrow1}## = -27560 ? The volume does not change ?!
 
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BvU said:
Is Q = du + dw or is dQ = du + dw ?
The first one is correct. The heat added or subtracted is equal to the change in internal energy and work.
I'm unsure how to work the problem to find dQ; in ΔQ1→2 I equated it to Q1→2 because I assumed at "step 0" there was no heat energy.

BvU said:
How come I get T3 = 312.5 from pV = nRT ? Any chance p3 = 19500 ?
Any (other) typos or omissions (adiabatic, isothermal?) in the problem statement ?
There are no omissions. V3 should actual be 6 instead of 2. I fixed it. Sorry about that.

BvU said:
You say W1, do you mean W##_{1\rightarrow2}## ? There I get 29120 for the work pΔV the gas is doing.
If so, why is W##_{2\rightarrow3}## = 0 ?
If so, why is W##_{3\rightarrow1}## = -27560 ? The volume does not change ?!
Right.
W##_{2\rightarrow3}## = 0 because the volume does not change.
W##_{3\rightarrow1}## = -27560 because I made a mistake in the original post; V3 should be 6 instead of 2.
 
What happened to the units in your calculations?
 
SteamKing said:
What happened to the units in your calculations?
I added the units to the original problem. There was no unit conversion involved, so I didn't want to clutter my work.
 
Your calculation of U3 is a bit low. I get 58500 J.

You can use ΔU = 3nRΔT/2

ΔU from 2-3 is (3)(5)(8.32)(112.5)/(2) = 7020.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Your calculation of U3 is a bit low. I get 58500 J.

You can use ΔU = 3nRΔT/2

ΔU from 2-3 is (3)(5)(8.32)(112.5)/(2) = 7020.

AM

Ah, that's it. Thank you so much.
 
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