Thevenin Equal Resistance - Strange Circuit

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To find the Thevenin Equivalent Resistance (Rτ) for the given circuit with load R4, the voltage sources should be short-circuited and R4 removed. The resistors R1, R2, and R3 need to be analyzed for their connections, as R2 and R3 are not in series due to the path to R4. The correct approach involves combining resistors in parallel and series as appropriate, with one suggestion being to redraw the circuit for clarity. The calculations for the equivalent resistance should be carefully checked, as initial assumptions about resistor connections may lead to errors. Understanding the configuration of the circuit is crucial for accurately determining Rτ.
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Homework Statement



I want to find Rτ (Thevenin Equal Resistance) if the load is R4 in the attached image's circuit.
As easy it may seem, I get confused because it asks for the equal resistance between A and B.

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The Attempt at a Solution



We remove the voltage sources and s/c them. Then we have: R1 is parallel to (R2+R3) -> R1//(R2+R3).
R5 parallel to the rest. So we have in total: Rτ= [R1//(R2+R3)] // R5
 

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I see no current sources in the figure, those are voltage sources. So, what do we do with voltage sources?

Also, note R2 & R3 are not actually in series. Because node A has a path leading to R4, they (R2 & R3) do not have an equal current going through them.
 
Sorry my mistake. I meant Voltage sources. I need to find the Thevenin Equivalent Resistance if i take R4 as the load. So I replace voltage sources with short-circuit and also remove the load R4. From this point could you help me figure out the connections of the resistors ?

Thanks again...
 
Your approach looks ok. But the calculations are wrong. Check again how to calculate the paralleled resistances. Have you gotten ET already?
 
Kruum said:
Your approach looks ok. But the calculations are wrong. Check again how to calculate the paralleled resistances. Have you gotten ET already?

I haven't done any calculations yet, I just indicated how I think the resistors are connected. No I just want to find RT
 
staggarhs said:
I haven't done any calculations yet, I just indicated how I think the resistors are connected. No I just want to find RT

Oh, okay. I thought those //'s were division marks.
 
staggarhs said:
Sorry my mistake. I meant Voltage sources. I need to find the Thevenin Equivalent Resistance if i take R4 as the load. So I replace voltage sources with short-circuit and also remove the load R4. From this point could you help me figure out the connections of the resistors ?

Thanks again...

I would redraw the figure (with voltage sources shorted), with "A" at the very top and "B" at the bottom. Redraw/move the resistors around until you see some that are in parallel or series, and combine them.
 
Redbelly98 said:
I would redraw the figure (with voltage sources shorted), with "A" at the very top and "B" at the bottom. Redraw/move the resistors around until you see some that are in parallel or series, and combine them.

I came up with this one, but the equivalent is different than the first one i posted ( Rτ= [R1//(R2+R3)] // R5 )

In this case it is: RΤ=[(R1+R2)//R3 + R5]

Please give me any hint as I am very confused.
Thanks a lot
 

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staggarhs said:
Please give me any hint as I am very confused.
Thanks a lot

I'm not sure if this is any help to you, but what can be said about any open circuit (i.e. unconnected wires)?
 
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staggarhs said:
I came up with this one, but the equivalent is different than the first one i posted ( Rτ= [R1//(R2+R3)] // R5 )

In this case it is: RΤ=[(R1+R2)//R3 + R5]

Please give me any hint as I am very confused.
Thanks a lot

There's some problems with your figure. Just for example, R2 should connect between A & B, after Vs2 is shorted.
 

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