Three question on error-propagation and flow measurements

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This discussion focuses on calculating discrete integrals from water-flow measurements, specifically addressing error propagation, data analysis methods, and the potential need for upgrading flow meters. The user measures flow rates in liters per second with an accuracy of +/- 0.5 liters, collecting data every 5 seconds over a 3-hour period. The conversation highlights the limitations of current flow meters, such as the M-Bus interface's 10-liter accuracy, and suggests using maximum likelihood approximation for improved accuracy. Recommendations include considering high-precision flow meters like the HygienicMaster FEH300 from ABB for better data integrity.

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  • Understanding of discrete integrals and their applications in flow measurement.
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  • Knowledge of flow meter technologies and their accuracy specifications.
  • Experience with data analysis methods applicable to flow measurement data.
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  • Research maximum likelihood estimation techniques for improving measurement accuracy.
  • Explore advanced flow meter options, such as the HygienicMaster FEH300 from ABB, and their specifications.
  • Study error propagation methods in detail, particularly in the context of flow measurements.
  • Investigate data analysis software tools suitable for processing flow measurement data.
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This discussion is beneficial for engineers, data analysts, and researchers involved in water flow measurement, particularly those seeking to enhance measurement accuracy and analyze flow data effectively.

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I’m calculating a discrete integral from distinct water-flow measurements. That means I have a few thousand data values in liter/second and I calculate from them the totally flown water in liter. The accuracy of the data is +/- 0.5 liter and I get one value every 5 seconds. The total time of measurement is about 3 hours. The water is coming in bunches of about 25 liters in a duration of 30 seconds to about 3 minutes. Between these flows there’s no water, so the accuracy is 100% then.
  • First question: how will the error propagate?
I can read out the flow meter before and after the measurement in hi-res mode with 0.01 l accuracy, but not in-between. This is some restriction of the M-Bus interface to which the meter is connected. But I can read out the sum-value every 5 seconds together with the flow rates but only with 10 liter accuracy. Anyway, the moment of the switch to the next 10 liter value provides some information on at least one hidden decimal number, as it seems to me. So perhaps I can use something like ‘maximum likelihood’ approximation to get more accuracy?
  • Second question: what’s the best way to analyze this data?
As I’ve found out meanwhile, the regime we are measuring in is just between home water technique and flow-rates seen in some processes in pharmaceutical and food industries. Normal home water meters are not built to this accuracy we would need (0.1 liter) or at least do not provide this accuracy remotely and those better flow-meters like perhaps HygienicMaster FEH300 from ABB probably cost a factor 20 to 100 more as the setup just now.
  • Third question: should we change the meters?
Erich
 
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First question: If you're simply summing values that have independent and random errors, then you add the uncertainties in quadrature; i.e., for N measurements:
\delta V = \sqrt{\sum_{i=1}^{N}{\delta V_{i}}^2
 

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