Throwing a ball against a wall for projectile motion

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The problem involves projectile motion, specifically analyzing the trajectory of a ball thrown at a wall. The ball is thrown from a height of 1.7 m with an initial velocity of 11 m/s at an angle of 45° towards a vertical wall located 3.4 m away. The discussion focuses on calculating the time the ball is in the air, the distance it travels after hitting the wall, and the height at which it strikes the wall.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for time of flight and horizontal distance, with one participant noting a potential arithmetic error in their approach. There is also a suggestion to maintain variables longer in equations to avoid confusion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's calculations. One participant has acknowledged a mistake in their arithmetic, while others have offered alternative formulations and checks on the original poster's approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance is negligible and that the vertical component of velocity remains unchanged upon hitting the wall. There is also a mention of potential discrepancies in the model answer provided for the problem.

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Homework Statement


A woman throws a ball at a vertical wall d = 3.4 m away. The ball is h = 1.7 m above ground when it leaves the woman's hand with an initial velocity of 11 m/s at 45°. When the ball hits the wall, the horizontal component of its velocity is reversed; the vertical component remains unchanged. (Ignore any effects due to air resistance.)
(a) Where does the ball hit the ground? meters (from the wall)
(b) How long was the ball in the air before it hit the wall? seconds
(c) Where did the ball hit the wall? meters (above the ground)
(d) How long was the ball in the air after it left the wall? seconds
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Homework Equations



gravity=-9.8m/s2
Time= 0=v0T-½gT2 T<0
t= (v0y+√(v0y2-2gy))/g
distance/range x=x0+V0xt
x/y velocity- v0x=Vcos(θ); v0y=vsin(θ)

The Attempt at a Solution



I did this for a practice problem with different values, and got the correct answers. With these values it says I've gotten all incorrect answers… If someone could please help and verify what I've done wrong!

*I made the person's hand the origin
We're not dealing with forces, and therefor we don't lose velocity due to impact.

V0y= 11sin(45°)=7.778
Solving for total time t: ½(9.81)t2-7.778t-1.7 (h=1.7)
t=+1.324s

(a) I solved for total distance as regular, and subtracted (d=3.4)
v0x=11cos(45)=7.778
X=0+7.778(1.324)-3.4
x=10.29-3.4= 6.898m

(b) i made the x value 3.4 (distance)
3.4=0+7.778t
t=.539s

(c ) I plugged in the time it took to get to the wall to the vertical formula, and added h 1.7
y=7.778(5.39)-½(9.81)(5.39t2)+1.7
y=4.47m

(d)
total time 1.324 - ans(b) = .784s
 
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Solving for total time t: ½(9.81)t2-7.778t-1.7 (h=1.7)
Do you mean: $$\frac{1}{2}gT^2-vT\sin\theta-h=0$$ ... it can really help to keep the variables around as long as possible.

Did you realize that ##\sin(45)=\cos(45)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##?

The idea is to solve:
##x=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}vT - d## ... where x is the distance from the wall.

Where T is given by:
$$T=\frac{-v + \sqrt{v^2 +4gh}}{g\sqrt{2}}$$
... it's a + sign in there because we don't want to accept T<0.

So $$x=\frac{-v^2 + v\sqrt{v^2 +4gh}}{2g} -d$$

OK: if this looks like what you did, and you got it wrong, then the only thing I can think of is that you rounded something off somewhere or your calculator threw up a bogus value or something like that.

Check the arithmetic.

Also always possible that the model answer is incorrect.
 
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I actually found that I did my arithmetic wrong solving for time (subtracted instead of addition).

Thanks for the help!
 
Happens to the best of us :)
 

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