TI 89 Integral seems wrong.... What am I missing?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of sec(x) and the outputs produced by the TI 89 Platinum calculator. Participants are examining the discrepancies in the results returned by the calculator and questioning whether these are due to computation errors or syntax issues within the calculator's programming.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their TI 89 returns ln(abs(cos(x))/abs(sin(x)-1)) for the integral of sec(x), while they expect ln(abs(tan(x)+sec(x))) or ln(abs(sin(x)+1)/abs(cos(x))) instead.
  • Another participant points out that ln(abs(sin(x)+1)/abs(cos(x))) is mathematically equivalent to ln(abs(cos(x))/abs(sin(x)-1)).
  • It is mentioned that the ratio of abs(sin(x)) to abs(cos(x)) simplifies to abs(tan(x)).
  • Concerns are raised about receiving a "non-real result" when evaluating at x=0, with participants questioning why the outputs differ despite the forms being equivalent.
  • A later post indicates that the TI 89 initially returned a "non-real result" for x=0 but later returned 0, leading to confusion about the reliability of the calculator's output.
  • One participant suggests checking the battery charge as a potential issue affecting the calculator's performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability of the TI 89's outputs, with some questioning the computation and others pointing out the equivalence of the mathematical expressions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the cause of the discrepancies.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions made in the calculations and the potential impact of the calculator's syntax on the results. The discussion does not clarify the underlying reasons for the "non-real result" or the conditions under which the outputs change.

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My TI 89 Platinum is returning ln(abs(cos(x))/abs(sin(x)-1)) for integral sec(x)dx. It's supposed to return ln(abs(tan(x)+sec(x)) or ln(abs(sin(x)+1)/abs(cos(x))). If you enter x=0, you get 'undefined' the way my TI 89 is doing it. It's supposed to return 0. Is this a computation error or something with the syntax of how TI Basic computes integrals?
 
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Ln(abs(sin(x)+1)/abs(cos(x))) = Ln(abs(cos(x))/abs(sin(x)-1))
 
Baluncore said:
Ln(abs(sin(x)+1)/abs(cos(x))) = Ln(abs(cos(x))/abs(sin(x)-1))
I don't understand why I'm getting a "non-real result" from the calculation when I enter x=0. Why is that occurring? It should be the same regardless of which form it's written in.
 
jdcirbo said:
My TI 89 Platinum is returning ln(abs(cos(x))/abs(sin(x)-1)) for integral sec(x)dx. It's supposed to return ln(abs(tan(x)+sec(x)) or ln(abs(sin(x)+1)/abs(cos(x))). If you enter x=0, you get 'undefined' the way my TI 89 is doing it. It's supposed to return 0. Is this a computation error or something with the syntax of how TI Basic computes integrals?
UPDATE: Just to make me look like a liar... Now my TI 89 is returning 0 for x=0... ? It was returning "Non-real result" before.
 

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